deyres42 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, JoeP said: So better, then.. Well no because we aren't comparing like for like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 44 minutes ago, JoeP said: Shez without budget - 14th. Unsworth with budget - 20th. But Unsworth didn't spend 100% of his budget on the day he started? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Well no because we aren't comparing like for like. I keep hearing he won the title with Everton youths - that’s now irrelevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, League one forever said: I keep hearing he won the title with Everton youths - that’s now irrelevant? Personally I don't think youth football has much relevance to senior football, others may disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Dave_Og said: And the solution? Paying them off aint going to free up budget. That's pretty much exactly what it does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Not really. They're contracted, largely until June. Can't imagine many of them will take, say, three months money rather than five - why would they? - so any reduction in financial commitment won't be very significant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Dave_Og said: Not really. They're contracted, largely until June. Can't imagine many of them will take, say, three months money rather than five - why would they? - so any reduction in financial commitment won't be very significant Agreed. But if they did - voila, budget freed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: Agreed. But if they did - voila, budget freed up. But they won't... They'd have to be mad! Especially as it seems evident that no other clubs are interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: There are often exceptions to the rules Pat. Wealdstone, Eastleigh, Barnet and Bromley all in the top 10 of this squad and have an inferior squad than we do. Even under Sheri, with our supposed "weak budget", we signed the captain of the Champions, a proven EFL goalscorer and someone who has, in the eyes of some, become the best midfielder outside of the Premier League... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: But they won't... They'd have to be mad! Especially as it seems evident that no other clubs are interested The only hope is if they are dropping down far enough that a club wants to get them signed up before their competitors have chance. Seems unlikely though - not sure I'd have them at Wilmslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: Sheri - 700+ games managed Unsworth - less than 20 Let's hope it stays that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Lee Sinnott said: Wealdstone, Eastleigh, Barnet and Bromley all in the top 10 of this squad and have an inferior squad than we do. Even under Sheri, with our supposed "weak budget", we signed the captain of the Champions, a proven EFL goalscorer and someone who has, in the eyes of some, become the best midfielder outside of the Premier League... Hogan, Porter - I'm struggling with the last one......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: Hogan, Porter - I'm struggling with the last one......? Nathan Sheron... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, oafcmetty said: Agreed. But if they did - voila, budget freed up. Would the money we offer them to terminate their contract not eat into the budget...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Not really. They're contracted, largely until June. Can't imagine many of them will take, say, three months money rather than five - why would they? - so any reduction in financial commitment won't be very significant Even if we have to pay up their full contracts, we’ll save on all the periphery stuff, like liability insurance, physio fees, lunches. I guess it all adds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Would the money we offer them to terminate their contract not eat into the budget...? It’s already doing that so any settlement reduction would save money between now and June? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 13 hours ago, hollandspies said: I remain concerned that we have so many peripheral players still picking up a wage that’s preventing us from strengthening in the key areas that we have already identified. To me, It’s fairly clear that Stobbs, Burgess, Angol, Porter, Gardner, McGahey and Maynard are all now ‘surplus to requirements’ and are unlikely to feature again anytime soon in a 16 man match day squad. Is this issue holding us back from signing the 2 or 3 key additions we really need to completely alleviate the worry of relegation whilst guaranteeing the optimism of a real challenge next season? Don't think any were Unsworth signings so what's your point? They are under contract so we are stuck with them or at least stuck with paying them off. Not sure what the best managers are supposed to do in that situation?? Look he's not done great and made many mistakes like any rookie manager would do. But let's judge his results from now on, as in his words he's now got a squad he can work with. In a neither in or out man at the moment. I'm reserving judgement until Easter when we should be relatively safe or shitting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 16 hours ago, Wardie said: Maybe Frank was stating the bleeding obvious in saying "Avoiding relegation". If that target is achieved this season, I think it will be a few seasons before promotion becomes feasible, with Unsworth at the helm. * * I forgot to add..if at all. Maybe, maybe not Wardie. But the 3 biggest spenders Wrexham, Notts C, and Chesterfield have not been out of this League for a combined 26 (ish) seasons.... Think that demonstrates just how difficult it's going to be whoever the manager is to get back into the EFL. And how long did it take last season's biggest spenders Stockport to get promoted?? Just look at some of the many managers who failed at these clubs during that period. Appreciate all opinions around Unsworth and why we are not (and should be doing better). Just think we need to see what happens in the next few months before we roll the dice again... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, nzlatic said: But Unsworth didn't spend 100% of his budget on the day he started? I'm missing the point you're making. We were 14th, he had inherited a supposedly incapable squad, between then and now has been allowed to spend and we're now 20th. Edited January 31, 2023 by JoeP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, JoeP said: I'm missing the point you're making. We were 14th, he had inherited a supposedly incapable squad, between then and now has been allowed to spend and we're now 20th. I may have misunderstood your point. The point I'm trying to make is the budget comparison is a red herring. Yes he's spent money but that's involved a big change in personal (half the starting 11 are new signings). So that might take time to come good. It is also the case that someone else might have made it work faster. But because it hasn't worked already with Unsworth, it doesn't mean it never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, JoeP said: I'm missing the point you're making. We were 14th, he had inherited a supposedly incapable squad, between then and now has been allowed to spend and we're now 20th. He saying you can’t judge him because some of the signings are new, and the squad is constantly evolving. Rather than him picking the 25 he wants in the summer and being judged from there. There is some credence in that view, but he could and should have done incrementally better as the squad evolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, League one forever said: He saying you can’t judge him because some of the signings are new, and the squad is constantly evolving. Rather than him picking the 25 he wants in the summer and being judged from there. There is some credence in that view, but he could and should have done incrementally better as the squad evolved. He's starting to do that isn't he...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggleblue Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, deyres42 said: He's starting to do that isn't he...? Yes but the football is crap and showing no signs of developing/evolving or improving despite all his new signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, diggleblue said: Yes but the football is crap and showing no signs of developing/evolving or improving despite all his new signings. People are saying they aren't bothered about that Diggs and it is all about results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, diggleblue said: Yes but the football is crap and showing no signs of developing/evolving or improving despite all his new signings. Recent results say otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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