redlion Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Magic Mikey said: You're twenty years behind modern gastronomy. Hot pears are served with cold custard. Pukes at the thought of cold custard. Thanks a bunch for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Featured Comment andy_b_100 Posted February 23, 2023 Featured Comment Share Posted February 23, 2023 When Frank took over there was a euphoria .... chanting his name etc. Fully deserved When Shez left (again) there was respect for what he has given us ... chanting his name .. fully deserved. Unsworth puzzles me, he declares his undying love for the club and the town and says he will get it right and to trust him. He then accepts no accountability for the product on the pitch that he is in charge of. He has had the backing financially more than anyone since LJ. He has assembled a group of players that are on paper more than adequate for the postion we are in. He has a pick of winners from this league and above and has left the likes of stobbs out of the 1st team picture. He was a premier league defender ... and a better than average one and understands defending. In his playing days he didnt have 4 or 5 midfielders stood on his toes getting in the way, he had them 20 yards away and could pass to them. He knows this works, they were not relegation fodder or up and downers. They has width, they got the ball into the box, there was no narrow channel and they played football. As a manager he is inststing we adopt a must not lose mentality, not losing being more important than winning. He plays the biggest winner (Rooney) way out of his best position. He plays Nuttall as a target man to knock it down for Ried but this cant work from the half way line. The midfielders are standing on the toes of the back four confusing them by getting in the way. When the defenders win the ball (both CHs no matter who they are) have no target more than a couple of yards away and the ball drifts back to the opposition without any effort from them to get it back. So back on point ... Unsworth has the opportunity to SHOW he loves the club, trust the players he has brought in to play the football that I have no doubt most of them are capable of (previous records etc). He has resources that even Wrexham would be fond of .. in a full management team and coaches. They have better training facilities and they eat together .. so where is the togetherness ? where is the team spirit ? the strengths and weaknesses are they talked about? I have never known a manager so disconnected from the fans (even Selim, Dunn, Kelly) and I dont recall a team being booed off at half time when we are in front either. There is somethng wrong somewhere as to move the club forward like Frank has told us he wants, he needs unity. Players, coaches, managers, fans all working towards the same thing. I have watched us lose games for almost 40 years, I have watched us win games for the same length of time and I have never felt this disconnect before .. it weird. It maybe us (the fans) ... I sit to the right of the Athleticos who begin every match waving flags cheering and chantng .... and within a few mins go quiet because of the 'football' thats played. I strongly believe that this disconnection will cost us (fans, money) and I dont think it can be repaired because of the accountablility issue. The only chanting I hear for Unsworth is that he is indeed a football genius.... Deserved ! and that is why I dont think its repairable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, andy_b_100 said: When Frank took over there was a euphoria .... chanting his name etc. Fully deserved When Shez left (again) there was respect for what he has given us ... chanting his name .. fully deserved. Unsworth puzzles me, he declares his undying love for the club and the town and says he will get it right and to trust him. He then accepts no accountability for the product on the pitch that he is in charge of. He has had the backing financially more than anyone since LJ. He has assembled a group of players that are on paper more than adequate for the postion we are in. He has a pick of winners from this league and above and has left the likes of stobbs out of the 1st team picture. He was a premier league defender ... and a better than average one and understands defending. In his playing days he didnt have 4 or 5 midfielders stood on his toes getting in the way, he had them 20 yards away and could pass to them. He knows this works, they were not relegation fodder or up and downers. They has width, they got the ball into the box, there was no narrow channel and they played football. As a manager he is inststing we adopt a must not lose mentality, not losing being more important than winning. He plays the biggest winner (Rooney) way out of his best position. He plays Nuttall as a target man to knock it down for Ried but this cant work from the half way line. The midfielders are standing on the toes of the back four confusing them by getting in the way. When the defenders win the ball (both CHs no matter who they are) have no target more than a couple of yards away and the ball drifts back to the opposition without any effort from them to get it back. So back on point ... Unsworth has the opportunity to SHOW he loves the club, trust the players he has brought in to play the football that I have no doubt most of them are capable of (previous records etc). He has resources that even Wrexham would be fond of .. in a full management team and coaches. They have better training facilities and they eat together .. so where is the togetherness ? where is the team spirit ? the strengths and weaknesses are they talked about? I have never known a manager so disconnected from the fans (even Selim, Dunn, Kelly) and I dont recall a team being booed off at half time when we are in front either. There is somethng wrong somewhere as to move the club forward like Frank has told us he wants, he needs unity. Players, coaches, managers, fans all working towards the same thing. I have watched us lose games for almost 40 years, I have watched us win games for the same length of time and I have never felt this disconnect before .. it weird. It maybe us (the fans) ... I sit to the right of the Athleticos who begin every match waving flags cheering and chantng .... and within a few mins go quiet because of the 'football' thats played. I strongly believe that this disconnection will cost us (fans, money) and I dont think it can be repaired because of the accountablility issue. The only chanting I hear for Unsworth is that he is indeed a football genius.... Deserved ! and that is why I dont think its repairable. Spot on Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayfield Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, andy_b_100 said: I strongly believe that this disconnection will cost us (fans, money) and I dont think it can be repaired because of the accountability issue @andy_b_100 your write a very sincere and balanced account, this is surely the mood of many reasonable supporters, who aren't wishing David Unsworth to fail, just increasingly concerned. The phone in last night was also very good, I applaud Matt's effort to be balanced and extol the virtue of giving a manager time and resources to build. This could be a troubled beginning for a manager who will learn, adapt and get it right, but the omens aren't great. I believe David Unsworth is committed and supremely confident in his own ability, yet needs considerably more backing to assemble his vision of a winning team. It would be interesting to be at the fans forum where this could be explained, as we aren't convinced, whereas very few of us are questioning the Rothwell vision for Oldham Athletic as a club, I have no doubt the off field strategy is nothing but positive. How many more players need to come in, before we are competitive in this league, let alone in a position to challenge for promotion? We were warned by supporters of other clubs that success in this league requires specific knowledge and experience we didn't have as a failing league 2 side. For those still making cogent arguments about the folly of changing managers too soon, not giving them reasonable time and resources to implement change..... if Pete Wild became available tomorrow, who would still be in the 'stick' camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, andy_b_100 said: and I have never felt this disconnect before You never felt as disconnected under the Lemmies?Give over man , you’re on a wind up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: You never felt as disconnected under the Lemmies?Give over man , you’re on a wind up! I get what he means tho. Under them it was just farce after farce. They (Mo...?) were clearly just anarchic. They also didn't really show any sense of structural building. It was all-or-nothing from the off really. Whilst now, it feels like all the right puzzle pieces are finally on the table and we're making smarter, logical, longer-term decisions. But yet still the results are dire and the atmosphere increasingly toxic. So I think you're obviously right, in a bigger-picture sense. But on a gut-feel level at times this somehow feels worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 To me it just feels like we're in a holding pattern. Waiting for either Unsworth to come good or for him to be binned off. But ultimately I'm confident the club will start climbing. Under the Lemsegams it felt like we had no future at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, League one forever said: Spot on Andy. Good one Andy, Frank needs to bring back that feel good factor which brought in thousands of extra fans, he's doing the opposite of what he did back then by remaining silent about the fans concerns over poor on field performances. How he and the Royle's can watch this deteriation and alienation of fans happening right under their noses and keep quiet is beyond me. It's quite simple they give a statement that should poor performances continue action will be taken, if performances and results improve the situation will be reviewed accordingly. A 3 year contract doesn't mean nothing can be done if the manager is failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Good one Andy, Frank needs to bring back that feel good factor which brought in thousands of extra fans, he's doing the opposite of what he did back then by remaining silent about the fans concerns over poor on field performances. How he and the Royle's can watch this deteriation and alienation of fans happening right under their noses and keep quiet is beyond me. It's quite simple they give a statement that should poor performances continue action will be taken, if performances and results improve the situation will be reviewed accordingly. A 3 year contract doesn't mean nothing can be done if the manager is failing. Coming out with statements every time the fans were unhappy would be ridiculous, effectively starting a countdown on the managers future even more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: Coming out with statements every time the fans were unhappy would be ridiculous, effectively starting a countdown on the managers future even more so. He’s on a potential countdown from the moment he signs a contract…that’s just the way it is…just because they haven’t publicly stated his performance is under review doesn’t mean to say it isn’t being monitored, I’m sure it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, oafc1955 said: He’s on a potential countdown from the moment he signs a contract…that’s just the way it is…just because they haven’t publicly stated his performance is under review doesn’t mean to say it isn’t being monitored, I’m sure it is! Of course, I'm sure discussions and reviews will be happening internally and privately and that's how they should remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: Good one Andy, Frank needs to bring back that feel good factor which brought in thousands of extra fans, he's doing the opposite of what he did back then by remaining silent about the fans concerns over poor on field performances. How he and the Royle's can watch this deteriation and alienation of fans happening right under their noses and keep quiet is beyond me. It's quite simple they give a statement that should poor performances continue action will be taken, if performances and results improve the situation will be reviewed accordingly. A 3 year contract doesn't mean nothing can be done if the manager is failing. What DU needs, BP, is "the full backing of the board" type statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Mayfield said: For those still making cogent arguments about the folly of changing managers too soon, not giving them reasonable time and resources to implement change..... if Pete Wild became available tomorrow, who would still be in the 'stick' camp? I'd personally drive Pete Wild here from anywhere in the country, in order to get this club back on the rails, I'd also book the taxi for Unsworth before I set off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 1:15 PM, League one forever said: I know - I’ve got it. Losses are his fault. Wins are his fault. Our league position is his fault and the way we are playing is definitely his fault!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts2 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Some thing that was said on the phone in struck a chord with me we have unsworth eberal & jeffers all of whom have worked together at under 23 level and above .none of them has any experiance at this level and its clearly showing would bring an experianced national league coach into the team help ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, peanuts2 said: would bring an experianced national league coach into the team help ? What would that say about Unsworth. . . it’s an admission from the club he’s struggling and it’s weakens his authority. No chance they’ll do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, wiseowl said: What DU needs, BP, is "the full backing of the board" type statement! Yes the dreaded vote of confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: Of course, I'm sure discussions and reviews will be happening internally and privately and that's how they should remain. They don't want to lose face you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: Coming out with statements every time the fans were unhappy would be ridiculous, effectively starting a countdown on the managers future even more so. They will if we look like going down, they will be feared of a fans backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 12 hours ago, League one forever said: What would that say about Unsworth. . . it’s an admission from the club he’s struggling and it’s weakens his authority. No chance they’ll do it. I appreciate what you mean, but that's a very old-fashioned way of thinking. If they handle it right (internally, especially) and he shows humility in saying "this person makes us better" then I don't see why not. We seemingly have a backroom specialist in a dozen areas, including things like our "mentality" fella. Why not have a "division SME" or some fancy title? It's a great idea on paper, and would need some conscientious and careful management but could still be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_b_100 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 17 hours ago, oafc1955 said: You never felt as disconnected under the Lemmies?Give over man , you’re on a wind up! Of course I felt it .... but there is a difference, even early doors under Corney you always felt something was about to happen not related to the product on the pitch. Internet slueths digging up dirt about debentures , mr Owen doing wht he does then the man with the crooked smile came in and it got much worse. This disconnect is pitchside ... booing when were winning .. players who we KNOW can do so much better dont appear worthy of a shirt. The faithfull screaming instructins to players to close down.. to pass ... shoot. To me that disconnect is far more worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Ackey said: If they handle it right (internally, especially) and he shows humility in saying "this person makes us better" . . . and there ends the argument. Hi, I’m David Unsworth. I managed Everton for a few games and tell myself I was unlucky to not the get the job. I’ve turned down numerous other jobs to drop 4 divisions and manage Oldham, the thing is I’m struggling and I need someone to help me- other than the club legend on the board. I’m not adverse to the idea, I am with the dynamic of the people involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, League one forever said: I’m not adverse to the idea, I am with the dynamic of the people involved. Sorry for being pedantic - but the word is averse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, League one forever said: . . . and there ends the argument. Hi, I’m David Unsworth. I managed Everton for a few games and tell myself I was unlucky to not the get the job. I’ve turned down numerous other jobs to drop 4 divisions and manage Oldham, the thing is I’m struggling and I need someone to help me- other than the club legend on the board. I’m not adverse to the idea, I am with the dynamic of the people involved. Dear David, I've tried to help with recruitment, but many of the players you've brought are not ones I'd recommend as they appear to lack the required work ethic. More with the desire of Yarney would help you enormously. My advice is to sign good dynamic players who by nature will work hard for you, not those who aren't wanted by other clubs. You seem set in your ways though and unless you are willing to change I fear things will remain the same for you. Try a new approach of fast flowing attacking football with lots of anticipation and movement from your players and the right players who can do this. Lack lustre players should not be tolerated. Hope this helps, BP1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, wiseowl said: Sorry for being pedantic - but the word is averse I don’t claim to know the meaning of words, I just throw in what sounds right to come across as intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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