creepy Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 he said so at the last xmas boundary blues party when someone went to buy him a drink and it says it on his wikipedia page so i assumed it was true He was probably pissed at xmas boundary blues party when he said it!! and his wiki page is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveoafc91 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 i think that nothing will happen at all it never does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 no im not and im afraid i dont read those papers. thanks for questioning my support to latics tho, awful good of you. exposed by whom may i ask? himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I was there All i saw was Gregan being escorted out by security with shez in tow (at the end of the night after the last race) with Gregan complaining to the bouncers about bein kicked out! Shez then went back upstairs to where the rest of the players were. Gregan was then on his phone to someone for about 10mins stood on his own outside. The players were in a different room to everyone else but the doors were always open, there was no shouting or anything to make me think there was any trouble going on and Taylor was stood outside the room with some other players until not long before Gregan was thrown out. Apart from Gregan being chucked out (at the time i thought it was coz he'd had 1 too many) i wouldn’t have said there was any trouble at all, yet all this comes out a few days after?? Windass was part of the trouble according to some of the papers but, unless he hid all night, he wasn’t even there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonBlueLad Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Windass was part of the trouble according to some of the papers but, unless he hid all night, he wasn’t even there!! No doubt the blog he does not write will inform us if he was there or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danoafc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Corney, who to some extent runs the club, might have noticed the entire squad had been booked onto a PR Night at the Dogs you know? Again, I doubt Shez was the one planning this night out... don't you?! I'm sure Corney DID notice. But then perhaps he had faith in his 'manager' not to allow the squad to get legless, and not to let them get involved in the handbags stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Anyone care to wager any guesses as to when the next statement will be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyblue Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Anyone care to wager any guesses as to when the next statement will be? Not me but it should be soon. This needs sorting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) I'm sure Corney DID notice. But then perhaps he had faith in his 'manager' not to allow the squad to get legless, and not to let them get involved in the handbags stuff. Maybe the manager had faith in his squad not to go out and get pissed and behave like the role models they are expected to be? Cannot believe the manager is gettin the majority of stick for this!! seems people are using this to fuel their own desires of wishing to see him go! Edited March 9, 2009 by Oafc88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Maybe the manager had faith in his squad not to go out and get pissed and behave like the role models they are expected to be? Cannot believe the manager is gettin the majority of stick for this!! seems people are using this to fuel their own desires of wishing to see him go! he is getting stick because part of his job is to maintain the conduct of his squad and players,he is responsible for team discipline.... he should have turned round and stated,that players should only drink soft drinks as the press and fans are going to be present,and we dont want the club being talked about in a bad light. its his job to control his players on and off the field,simple as. thats why he is getting stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danoafc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Maybe the manager had faith in his squad not to go out and get pissed and behave like the role models they are expected to be? Cannot believe the manager is gettin the majority of stick for this!! seems people are using this to fuel their own desires of wishing to see him go! Come on Oafc88, I know the players should be able to control themselves, but the players and their actions are ultimately his responsibility. This is far from the first time that drink related 'issues' have blighted his tenure at BP. He should bloody well know better than letting his players, yes HIS players go out and get trolleyed with such important games coming up, and if Sheridan thinks it's acceptable to do so, then he a bigger bloody idiot that I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepy Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Maybe the manager had faith in his squad not to go out and get pissed and behave like the role models they are expected to be? Cannot believe the manager is gettin the majority of stick for this!! seems people are using this to fuel their own desires of wishing to see him go! Well said! going off what people witnessed shez was trying to sort things out, i would be suprised if shez was actually happy about having this meet the fans thing and i think he had trust in his players to behave properly, which they didnt and have let him down badly. The players are to blame for this just as they are on the pitch aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) Were gonna have to agree to disagree then, although il admit he has some responsibility, at the end of the day these are fully grown adults and shouldnt need to be told when it would or wouldnt be a good time to drink. Considering its the senior members of the squad that appear in the thick of it, this makes it even worse for them. Thats my personal view anyway, i dont begrudge you yours. Any yes danoafc, like i say he does have some responsibility to keep the players in check, but i feel the players are ultimately responsible. Edited March 9, 2009 by Oafc88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danoafc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) Were gonna have to agree to disagree then, although il admit he has some responsibility, at the end of the day these are fully grown adults and shouldnt need to be told when it would or wouldnt be a good time to drink. Considering its the senior members of the squad that appear in the thick of it, this makes it even worse for them. Thats my personal view anyway, i dont begrudge you yours. THing is Oafc88, i agree mostly with what you are saying. They are fuilly grown adults and of course they shouldn't need to be told when is and isn't a good time to drink, but then footballers in general aren't the brightest bunch are they? That's why it's ultimatlyl Sheridan's responsibility. The problem is, that I don't think Sheridan DOES see it as a problem, as I think it's fairly widely accepted that he himself likes a drink or two (or is a total pisscan if you believe some of the allegations). Edit: just see your edit mate. I suppose that's where we do differ. Ultimately you think it's the players responsibility (which in an ideal world it would be), whereas I think it's ultimately the managers responsibility. Edited March 9, 2009 by danoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafc88 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) THing is Oafc88, i agree mostly with what you are saying. They are fuilly grown adults and of course they shouldn't need to be told when is and isn't a good time to drink, but then footballers in general aren't the brightest bunch are they? That's why it's ultimatley Sheridan's responsibility. The problem is, that I don't think Sheridan DOES see it as a problem, as I think it's fairly widely accepted that he himself likes a drink or two (or is a total pisscan if you believe some of the allegations). Fair enough i can see where your coming from, still dont agree that its sheridans ultimate responisbility, i just feel strongly that each individual is accountable for their actions regardless of IQ (there not exactly mentally disabled, though im sure it could be argued a few are ), like i say this is senior members of our squad, with someone like gregan himself, who im not too sure but doesnt he have manager aspirations himself? i would be a bit more dissapointed with sheridan if this was our younger members of our squad. From what ive heard (again not the truth) it sounds as if the rest of the squad behaved well, how do we know sheridan hadnt told these to behave well and they duly did. Edited March 9, 2009 by Oafc88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 ...it says it on his wikipedia page so i assumed it was true Well you shouldn't believe all that you read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Least we forget that this night was promoted by the club as a chance for fans to meet the players. So the question should be who's choice was this to hold this event. The manager (I think not) or the Commerical arm off the club!!! BINGO It was orginally due to be stage on the 24th Feb, except the Gas match got re-arranged as it had to be held due to tickets sales being made to supporters. This was probally the best date to hold it without disappointing fans who had bought tickets as it fell straight after the Leeds game. Being played Monday, when all others were on Tuesday, gave the players an extra days break the club decided to use for this commerical enterprise. http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/page/NewsU...1546721,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Anyone care to wager any guesses as to when the next statement will be? Just watched the Channel M coverage of the start of the Latics dogs night out. At the start of the evening it all looked relaxed enough - just a group of excited young lads on a works night out to the dogs - all saying how important it was for 'team bonding'. Given the glut of games, the great Millwall result and then the tough Leeds draw I think you could probably justify giving the team a night off (even with a few drinks), given that they were not due to play for another 3 days. They are adults after all. Sheridan seems happy and relaxed on camera and is keen to point out that this is a great chance for the lads to reflect on the ups and downs of recent weeks with a view to all pulling together for the rest of the season. (Sounds like a good idea to me, maybve they could finally sort out why they keep losing to poor teams.) Clearly the board approved of the night out as the club itself organised it (they probably told the squad they HAD to attend to meet the fans). I think Simon Corney is seen presenting a trophy to a winning owner at the end of the film with Hughes and Taylor. At this point it all looked innocent enough and everyone just seemed to be having a good time. Hughes is the only one that comes across as worse for wear, (unless he always slurs when he speaks) but again it's nothing too embarassing. I think this is simply a case of a load of young lads getting too drunk on a works do and then squabbling amongst themselves. Not the first time this has happened in the world is it? The job will therefore be to find out exactly who did / who said what to who and then decide appropriate punishments for all the individuals concerned if their behaviour was unacceptable. Physical violence, insulting behaviour to staff, arguing / becoming physical with the management, excessive drinking, etc... The club clearly has a lot to consider and will probably use their own disciplinary guidelines in the player's contracts to decide the actions. I suspect that the management and the board will all be furious that these so called adults cannot be trusted to behave themselves under public gaze. In my opinion I hope they throw the book at anyone they can prove has made the club look bad, regardless of the impact on our 'promotion push' (you have to have standards!) All the hysterics aside, this looks to me like a well intentioned social event that back fired. Instead of being a bonding exercise, it has created a host of internal issues and conflict (some of it physical). The only question now should be how we put this all behind us and repair the damage because another performance like Saturday is clearly unacceptable. The biggest issue I think Shez has to face is why wasn't all the fallout from this event sorted out before the team took to the field at the weekend? The board will also want to know more about the clear divisions and conflicts within the team that have now raised their head. How has this all happended, how serious is it and what will be done now to sort it all out? Call me an optimist but this COULD be a good thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Just watched the Channel M coverage of the start of the Latics dogs night out.... Can you post a bit more please? A great balanced view on the whole affair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 This raises the issue of what the night was intended to be. If it's a team bonding exercise it should have been private. If it's a meet the fans exercise the players are on duty and should behave as such. Seems like trying to combine the two is where the problems started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 At this point it all looked innocent enough and everyone just seemed to be having a good time. Hughes is the only one that comes across as worse for wear, (unless he always slurs when he speaks) but again it's nothing too embarassing. He does more oftern than not, if you listen to a number of interviews on LW he speaks much like this all the time. Yet fans on here are choosing to say it was because he was bladdered. With all the filming, meeting fans etc and due to the fact a night at the dogs isn't a very long evening. Not sure there was time for players to drink as much as people are making out. Anyone actually watch the Channel M clip, as majority of players in that had soft drinks. But it seems that one player with a drink set the scene (it was Maher) of a drunken night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jac Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't think Hughes appears drunk in that interview. Everyone can stumble over their words every now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeykieran Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 My view is that everyone seems to be taking everything a little bit too seriously, it's probably best to wait for the enquiry before making any comment on hearsay. I was there and had a great night for the record, as did all the players that I saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 At this point it all looked innocent enough and everyone just seemed to be having a good time. Hughes is the only one that comes across as worse for wear, (unless he always slurs when he speaks) but again it's nothing too embarassing. He does more oftern than not, if you listen to a number of interviews on LW he speaks much like this all the time. Yet fans on here are choosing to say it was because he was bladdered. With all the filming, meeting fans etc and due to the fact a night at the dogs isn't a very long evening. Not sure there was time for players to drink as much as people are making out. Anyone actually watch the Channel M clip, as majority of players in that had soft drinks. But it seems that one player with a drink set the scence (it was Maher) of a drunken night. Most of them Channel M interviews were from the start of the night (i think) There wasnt much 'meeting the fans' going on to be honest, only hughes who went and sat at a couple of tables (dont know if he knew the people or not) Gregan seemed half cut to me, as i was next to him when he'd just bin threw out. Dont know about hughes, he was shouting across the room, and doin his dance and what not, till Tommy W took him away. Other than that i think most players were having 1 or 2, but none seemed drunk at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't think Hughes appears drunk in that interview. Everyone can stumble over their words every now and then. Fair point - I haven't heard him speak much before - he does slur and stumble his words a bit in the interview compared to the other guys but it sounds like this is just how he talks normally. Either way as I said it was nothing embarrasing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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