opinions4u Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 I actually dont know whether it was a great German performance or a shocking Brazil performance. Maybe a bit of both. Three of the first half goals involved misplaced passes from the Germans. The first was just the worst marking ever. While it was an extraordinary result it wasn't anything like a brilliant footballing display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 They lost that before kickoff, totally consumed with the absence of Neymar, ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Three of the first half goals involved misplaced passes from the Germans. The first was just the worst marking ever. While it was an extraordinary result it wasn't anything like a brilliant footballing display. Free beer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 German fans must be thinking what they could achieve if only they had a football system full of teams who are owned by wealthy overseas investors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 German fans must be thinking what they could achieve if only they had a football system full of teams who are owned by wealthy overseas investors. Spot on - and very, very depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I thought in their first game v Croatia that they looked like a team that couldn't cope with the pressure and expectation of playing in a home tournament. Think some of their players will really, really struggle to recover mentally from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 German fans must be thinking what they could achieve if only they had a football system full of teams who are owned by wealthy overseas investors... ...and if only they could get rid of cheap admission and standing at matches. Reminds me of England in 1966. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornbloweroafc Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Most embarrassing semi since I went to watch Brokeback Mountain with my dad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 New Brazilian flag; New statue; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Not sure how to put it on here, but there is a video taken from the stands at the Holland match that shows Ron Vlaar's penalty rolled into the net after the keepers initial parry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R1AyIV-tQM is it over the line though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Not sure how to put it on here, but there is a video taken from the stands at the Holland match that shows Ron Vlaar's penalty rolled into the net after the keepers initial parry... So, the moment the ball goes away from goal in a penalty shoot-out the ball is dead. That's always been the rule, but was broken in the France v Brazil pen shootout in '86 The ball hits him again- see http://youtu.be/Ca29t9LCtpI Therefore the ball is dead the moment it hits him (albeit inadvertently) Edited July 10, 2014 by rudemedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 I reckon the Argies will win it. If not the hosts. England will bore their way out of the group stages. Belgium will fail. I could be wrong. I often am. Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Congrats to Germany on the win. Been a cracker of a World Cup; 171 goals scored means it a record equal to France '98. The group stages in particular were fantastic; and the emergance of the likes of Costa Rice, Chile, Columbia....and to lesser extents USA, Algeria have made it all the more a spectacle. I think we also witnessed the passing of the baton with Spain's awful early exit and the win for Germany. Their average age for the entire squad was 26, and the stand outs from the starting X1 are 22, 23, 24 & 25 years of age. I can see that squad dominating like Spain have just done for a good number of years now. It also has finally shown, i think above all doubt, that we; as in our National Side, are a million miles away from ever winning the thing. Compare our squad of players to some of the other nations and we are lagging painfully behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfectOzblue Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Congrats to Germany on the win. Been a cracker of a World Cup; 171 goals scored means it a record equal to France '98. The group stages in particular were fantastic; and the emergance of the likes of Costa Rice, Chile, Columbia....and to lesser extents USA, Algeria have made it all the more a spectacle. I think we also witnessed the passing of the baton with Spain's awful early exit and the win for Germany. Their average age for the entire squad was 26, and the stand outs from the starting X1 are 22, 23, 24 & 25 years of age. I can see that squad dominating like Spain have just done for a good number of years now. It also has finally shown, i think above all doubt, that we; as in our National Side, are a million miles away from ever winning the thing. Compare our squad of players to some of the other nations and we are lagging painfully behind. Can't argue with you Sly - and ain't it friggin' depressing? I used to engage with the typical 'we hate Germany' stuff when I was younger but now all I can do is admire them. They've built generations of good teams that play football the right way. Players like Lahm, Klose and Schweinsteiger are immense. Germany is also being rewarded for realising that having a successful national team IS the most important thing, not how much you can hype your own domestic league. Okay, I'd give a lot to Latics to one day make the Premier League again but it's completely killed any chance of England winning a major trophy (unless we get a good bunch of players together at the same time like in 2006, when we really had a chance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Klose is Polish but otherwise agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 polish born but coached the german way.germany will start to dominate? germany have always dominated, they have been the team to avoid for decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Since winning it the first time in 1954, the Germans have qualified for every single World Cup and on every occasion but one have made the last eight. Yet, our FA are furiously trying to replicate Spain instead, on the back of one exceptional generation of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Since winning it the first time in 1954, the Germans have qualified for every single World Cup and on every occasion but one have made the last eight. Yet, our FA are furiously trying to replicate Spain instead, on the back of one exceptional generation of players. Read that 6 of that side who played in the starting X1 (& 7 is you include Reus who would have been a certain starter had he not been injured) played for the Germany U21s against our lads & twatted us 4-0 in the final of the U21s in 2009. In our entire squad, only James Milner played in that same game; and he didnt start a game for us. Speaks volumes that does. Continuity, time-served development together, experience of tournament football through the levels, a sense of teamwork / team-bonding...yep, and also a heavy hand dealt with sheer talent; but - even still; its a model to follow. Oh, and their top league; and their football system in general, also now pisses all over ours too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Read that 6 of that side who played in the starting X1 (& 7 is you include Reus who would have been a certain starter had he not been injured) played for the Germany U21s against our lads & twatted us 4-0 in the final of the U21s in 2009. In our entire squad, only James Milner played in that same game; and he didnt start a game for us. Speaks volumes that does. Continuity, time-served development together, experience of tournament football through the levels, a sense of teamwork / team-bonding...yep, and also a heavy hand dealt with sheer talent; but - even still; its a model to follow. Oh, and their top league; and their football system in general, also now pisses all over ours too. I'd go a step further about the under 21s and say that the Germans have more drive to be the best footballers. Not sure what it is about the English, maybe things like money and celebrity are more important than winning? There are huge problems from top to bottom in how the English game is run but the players need to accept some :censored:ing responsibility themselves as well. At all levels/ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Ghana probably should have beaten them, Algeria certainly should have - way too much is made of league development/structures when people talk about international football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 There are huge problems from top to bottom in how the English game is run... Rio Ferdinand has the figures: 700 3G pitches in the UK compared to 5000 in Germany - source(!) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2664577/Englands-World-Cup-exit-wake-call-fix-mess-rans-We-need-coaches-facilities.html Danny Mills has the UK at "1000 3G pitches behind Germany" - source http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26766742 I don't trust either of the sources, anyone have anything more substantial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_ragg1984 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Ghana probably should have beaten them, Algeria certainly should have - way too much is made of league development/structures when people talk about international football. Algeria played well against Germany, but the team that deserved to win won that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Read that 6 of that side who played in the starting X1 (& 7 is you include Reus who would have been a certain starter had he not been injured) played for the Germany U21s against our lads & twatted us 4-0 in the final of the U21s in 2009. In our entire squad, only James Milner played in that same game; and he didnt start a game for us. Speaks volumes that does. Continuity, time-served development together, experience of tournament football through the levels, a sense of teamwork / team-bonding...yep, and also a heavy hand dealt with sheer talent; but - even still; its a model to follow. Oh, and their top league; and their football system in general, also now pisses all over ours too. But how do we sort our mess out? The obvious route is to make the Premier clubs start with a number of English players but I've no idea if that is legally enforceable. But a bigger problem is not just the lack of UEFA badged coaches in this country compared to Germany, France, Spain and Holland but the quality. Ex-players get their badges but train kids to play the same football that has failed us for years. Maybe it's time to import someone to oversee and overhaul the coaching system (I could be wrong on this one but wasn't Gerard Houllier considered by the FA because he sorted out French football?) and also bring in a whole layer of foreign coaches to start with, say, 10 year olds and moving forward with them and the following age groups and breaking the cycle. Oh, and give the Under-21 manager the power to demand players for age group tournaments. Edited July 17, 2014 by mikejh45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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