disjointed Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wait until you read about his comparison of the Hillsborough families to Ched Evans. Haven't seen that one, but I am struggling to compare the 2. This should be fascinating reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueNoodle Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) The only thing that we know for a fact following all this is that the general public of this country are absolute idiots Edited January 8, 2015 by TheBlueNoodle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The only thing that we know for a fact following all this is that the general public of this country are absolute idiots Absolutely. In fact I knew before hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The only thing that we know for a fact following all this is that the general public of this country are absolute idiots That is quite a statement to aim at 70 million people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) I suspect that would be the least of my concerns. I think I'd rather die than live with the stigma of a vile offence I knew I hadn't commited. Which is why I feel he ought to concentrate on his criminal cases review instead of trying to get straight back into football. In fact, if I were in his shoes I'd have the heavily biased Ched Evans website closed down and openly discourage supporters of my cause to stop harrassing the victim. Then I'd fight tooth and nail to have my conviction overturned. upboated that in error but sincerely hope you never get accused of something you didn't do and it gets out of hand. I was once for a few hours due to a malicious individual fortunately it came to nothing but teachers get that sort of rubbish. I was fortunate about 800 other kids knew different. How do we know he's innocent? I believe we can only truly go off the verdict (and failed appeal) as the two crucial facts in all of this right now. Edited January 8, 2015 by Frankly Mr Shankly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 That is quite a statement to aim at 70 million people. To be fair disjointed, have you ever been in a supermarket during weekends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 He "withdrew" from talks? Remember that he cares... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 To be fair disjointed, have you ever been in a supermarket during weekends? That's the place to find lots of people off their trolleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 To be fair disjointed, have you ever been in a supermarket during weekends? Sod that. Supermarkets full stop. I swear they go just to piss me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 To be fair disjointed, have you ever been in a supermarket during weekends? Dont get me wrong I plead guilty as charged, I've spent 45 years following a club that is now trying to self destruct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebuckley06 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Which is why I feel he ought to concentrate on his criminal cases review instead of trying to get straight back into football. In fact, if I were in his shoes I'd have the heavily biased Ched Evans website closed down and openly discourage supporters of my cause to stop harrassing the victim. Then I'd fight tooth and nail to have my conviction overturned. How do we know he's innocent? I believe we can only truly go off the verdict (and failed appeal) as the two crucial facts in all of this right now. I think we all ( even the rediculously stubborn anti evans brigade) know full we'll that only 3 people know if he is innocent one can't remember and hasn't even accused him of it and the other two have said she consented. The case seems to be built around her being too drunk to consent. That is a matter of opinion as it can't possibly be proved. 12 jurors decided she was. That's were the ambiguity comes from and why so many people refuse to just blindly accept he's guilty. Problem is all the anti evans brigade take common sense as meaning people are condoning his actions and defending him As far as I see no one has said he's innocent just questioned his guilt That being said I don't think anyone has defending his actions in finding himself in the room origanally Edited January 8, 2015 by davebuckley06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think we all ( even the rediculously stubborn anti evans brigade) know full we'll that only 3 people know if he is innocent one can't remember and hasn't even accused him of it and the other two have said she consented. The case seems to be built around her being too drunk to consent. That is a matter of opinion as it can't possibly be proved. 12 jurors decided she was. That's were the ambiguity comes from and why so many people refuse to just blindly accept he's guilty. Problem is all the anti evans brigade take common sense as meaning people are condoning his actions and defending him As far as I see no one has said he's innocent just questioned his guilt That being said I don't think anyone has defending his actions in finding himself in the room origanally What do you suggest we replace the jury system with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebuckley06 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 What do you suggest we replace the jury system with? At no point have I implied we should replace it They had to make a decision in this case it was based on opinion as the key thing couldn't be proved either way which is slightly worrying as unless I am mistaken to be found guilty in a court of law it has to be beyond any doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danoafc Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 What do you suggest we replace the jury system with? I dont see Dave suggesting we need to replace the jury system with anything. He's simply commented on the fact that that some people can see it's not infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) At no point have I implied we should replace it They had to make a decision in this case it was based on opinion as the key thing couldn't be proved either way which is slightly worrying as unless I am mistaken to be found guilty in a court of law it has to be beyond any doubt The jury in this case appears to have clearly understood reasonable doubt as it afforded it to the other defendant. I dont see Dave suggesting we need to replace the jury system with anything. He's simply commented on the fact that that some people can see it's not infallible. It just seemed like the post was suggesting a jury couldn't possibly come to a conclusion. Yet, from having read the appeal papers, they appear to have carried out their duty diligently, fairly and accurately. Edited January 8, 2015 by opinions4u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think we all ( even the rediculously stubborn anti evans brigade) know full we'll that only 3 people know if he is innocent one can't remember and hasn't even accused him of it and the other two have said she consented. The case seems to be built around her being too drunk to consent. That is a matter of opinion as it can't possibly be proved. 12 jurors decided she was. That's were the ambiguity comes from and why so many people refuse to just blindly accept he's guilty. Problem is all the anti evans brigade take common sense as meaning people are condoning his actions and defending him As far as I see no one has said he's innocent just questioned his guilt That being said I don't think anyone has defending his actions in finding himself in the room origanally Nicely put. This is why I think the mob rule that has stopped this is so disgusting. I feel deeply ashamed and sickened by the vile reactions of so many, sadly, some on this board but many more on social media in general as well as the two faced politicians and police chiefs etc. Add to that the sheer incompetence of our Board and this has been the most dis-heartening week in the clubs history. I really don't think I will bother on Saturday, just doesn't seem important or fun anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) I think we all ( even the rediculously stubborn anti evans brigade) know full we'll that only 3 people know if he is innocent one can't remember and hasn't even accused him of it and the other two have said she consented. The case seems to be built around her being too drunk to consent. That is a matter of opinion as it can't possibly be proved. 12 jurors decided she was. That's were the ambiguity comes from and why so many people refuse to just blindly accept he's guilty. Problem is all the anti evans brigade take common sense as meaning people are condoning his actions and defending him As far as I see no one has said he's innocent just questioned his guilt That being said I don't think anyone has defending his actions in finding himself in the room origanally Totally agree. Although personally whilst I'm not defending him, I'm not particularly bothered about him being in the room either. Naive and ill advised - sure. Disrespectful to his girlfriend - certainly. But ultimately the only person he is hurting in any way via his mere presence in the room is his girlfriend, and that's a private matter. Edited January 8, 2015 by PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 On a side note do you reckon Oldham Council will be making a bomb in parking fines with the permit zone around BP? James Whitehead @Jay_whitehead87 · 2h 2 hours ago On a serious note are #ombc gonna split the profits made today on the tv crews parked on furtherwood rd with #oafc #webringthemyoubookthem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebuckley06 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Totally agree. Although personally whilst I'm not defending him, I'm not particularly bothered about him being in the room either. Naive and ill advised - sure. Disrespectful to his girlfriend - certainly. But ultimately the only person he is hurting in any way via his mere presence in the room is his girlfriend, and that's a private matter. It's a little bit predatory though int it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebuckley06 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Nicely put. This is why I think the mob rule that has stopped this is so disgusting. I feel deeply ashamed and sickened by the vile reactions of so many, sadly, some on this board but many more on social media in general as well as the two faced politicians and police chiefs etc. Add to that the sheer incompetence of our Board and this has been the most dis-heartening week in the clubs history. I really don't think I will bother on Saturday, just doesn't seem important or fun anymore Disappointed with the club for giving into the mob but also disappointed with some people on here. There's the odd character you expect it from but there's a lot of we'll respected, reasonable and smart people on this forum who have suddenly decided they can't think for them selves or use any sort of reason. They have discriminated against him and are in the same league as the social media mob that have partly brought round this whole change of heart. We look absolutely ridiculous now. At least if we saw it through we would have stuck to our convictions and backed what we started and claimed to believe in. I feel we would have saved a lot of face with a lot of people by following it through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Why should they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just seen it on the news too. What a silly thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayvan Cowboy Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Disappointed with the club for giving into the mob but also disappointed with some people on here. There's the odd character you expect it from but there's a lot of we'll respected, reasonable and smart people on this forum who have suddenly decided they can't think for them selves or use any sort of reason. They have discriminated against him and are in the same league as the social media mob that have partly brought round this whole change of heart. We look absolutely ridiculous now. At least if we saw it through we would have stuck to our convictions and backed what we started and claimed to believe in. I feel we would have saved a lot of face with a lot of people by following it through I sincerely hope you're not pigeonholing all anti-Evans supporters with that statement. Not wanting an unrepentant sex offender to represent the football club you support is a perfectly reasonable stance to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebuckley06 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 But realistically he has jus stated facts hasn't he. He hasn't said anything offensive or disrespectful. Once again the baying mob will have there way though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Problem is all the anti evans brigade take common sense as meaning people are condoning his actions and defending him As far as I see no one has said he's innocent just questioned his guilt. Let's steer clear of any further analysis of the case, please. But I do want to just add, as part of the 'anti-Ched brigade' that I don't think anyone in favour of him signing is necessarily condoning his actions or defending him and I find your assertion that your opinion is common sense and mine isn't a tad difficult to swallow. I didn't/don't want him to be a Latics player because he's a convicted rapist. It's not for me to analyse the case or to question the verdict that the jury reached and that the Court of Appeal didn't feel should be overturned. Whether you like it or not, he was convicted of rape. That's a fact, not an opinion. And I don't want my club to have rapist turning out for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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