General Election - 8th June 2017

[kowenicki]

1 minute ago, 24hoursfromtulsehill said:

I'm absolutely loving every single minute of this. This has to be one of the biggest fuck-ups of all time. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person. 

 

Why? Didn't you want labour to win? 

[UsedtobeWozzer]

46 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

Agreed. Which makes the fact she is still there even more remarkable. Labour can never get a majority again imo. 

It is remarkable, particularly with Timothy and Hill having resigned. Bad form to blame the advisers not the decision maker. We'll have to disagree on whether Labour can win though I think. The momentum (small m ?) would make a Labour victory in another election this year quite likely I think. That's why I think they'll cling on at all costs by pandering to crackpots to avoid having to go to the polls again.

[singe]

1 hour ago, kowenicki said:

 

Agreed. Which makes the fact she is still there even more remarkable. Labour can never get a majority again imo. 

I really think they have a chance, remarkable considering. 

They are all turning on May, rightly so. Tories have been tight and disciplined for ultras, so Labour have to exploit their division mercilessly. 

It will be quite easy for Corbyn to stay disciplined if he chooses, he has a mandate but must  get a top team in place. 

Tories are as divided over Europe as they ever were. 

Our electoral system does make it very hard though.

A few by elections and get an agreement with Lib Dems and Green for boundary reform and even proportional representation  and they could have a majority. A clear enough path exists. 

 

[blueatheart]

1 hour ago, singe said:

I really think they have a chance, remarkable considering. 

They are all turning on May, rightly so. Tories have been tight and disciplined for ultras, so Labour have to exploit their division mercilessly. 

It will be quite easy for Corbyn to stay disciplined if he chooses, he has a mandate but must  get a top team in place. 

Tories are as divided over Europe as they ever were. 

Our electoral system does make it very hard though.

A few by elections and get an agreement with Lib Dems and Green for boundary reform and even proportional representation  and they could have a majority. A clear enough path exists. 

 

Next boundary reform is due in September next year and is due to reduce sitting MPs to 600.

 

That isn't an easy process to speed up.

[blueatheart]

For what it's worth, I'm gutted the polls were wrong AGAIN and I'm almost suggesting they are tantamount to Election tampering. Anyway, whatever the result, a hung parliament is the worst possible outcome and I'm not keen on the DUP at all.

 

That said, I'm glad the SNP took a battering. May monumentally fucked this campaign right up, if nothing else, it'll make for interesting viewing over the next few weeks to few months. I said to someone a week or so ago that Boris would be PM on 1/1/18 probably should have looked at the odds.

 

 

[ChaddySmoker]

 

 

38 minutes ago, blueatheart said:

For what it's worth, I'm gutted the polls were wrong AGAIN and I'm almost suggesting they are tantamount to Election tampering. Anyway, whatever the result, a hung parliament is the worst possible outcome and I'm not keen on the DUP at all.

 

That said, I'm glad the SNP took a battering. May monumentally fucked this campaign right up, if nothing else, it'll make for interesting viewing over the next few weeks to few months. I said to someone a week or so ago that Boris would be PM on 1/1/18 probably should have looked at the odds.

For 1/7/17 the odds are 10/1-it might be worth a bet on that. He might be a total idiot but the woman in flat shoes is toast. It's hilarious.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2017 by ChaddySmoker

[frizzell54]

Let’s face it this election result was not an endorsement of Corbyn’s ideology it was simply his cynical exploitation of human nature.

 

Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813), ‘A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship’.

 

Pensioners, afraid to lose the winter fuel allowance and the triple lock (irrelevant if Corbyn had won as inflation would soar).

 

Pensioners and their offspring thinking that everyone else should pay for their care.

 

The public sector employees looking forward to ‘free collective bargaining’ and soaring wages (when they are not on strike).  The pensioners would like as tis would push both inflation and wages beyond the 2.5%.

 

Minimum pay of £10 per hour (for those left with a job).

 

The students looking forward to no tuition fees.  

 

Talking of students Churchill is reputed to have said,

“If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.” 

 

That seems to be supported by the latest brain research using MRI scans.

“The mid-20s or “25” is just an average age given as checkpoint for when the brain has likely become mature.”

 

“The prefrontal cortex doesn’t have nearly the functional capacity at age 18 as it does at 25.”

 

“Those who are poor at assessing risk may have underdeveloped prefrontal regions. The ability to turn down immediate gratification for long-term rewards is a result of this region.”

 

Awaits abuse!

 

[ChaddySmoker]

4 hours ago, kowenicki said:

 

Dobt he such a silly boy. This will not be a coalition and even if it had been that wouldn't have happened.

 

having said that. It's a toss up who is worse between him and Abott the racist liar. 

How old are you exactly?

[leeslover]

Did I ever mention the time I was telling a Nobel Peace Prize winner that I couldn't see a normalisation of NI politics with the DUP aligning with the Tories at a time they were trying to rebrand as socially liberal yet Jeffrey Donaldson was spewing homophobia? And the Peer of the Realm said, "Yes, and he's a fine one to talk!" 

 

Turns out JD secretly likes cock. 

[ChaddySmoker]

1 minute ago, frizzell54 said:

Let’s face it this election result was not an endorsement of Corbyn’s ideology it was simply his cynical exploitation of human nature.

Does this sweeping statement apply to all Socialists or just the ones who like terrorists?

 

4 hours ago, kowenicki said:

 

Why? Didn't you want labour to win? 

Only in the Socialist Republic of Kensington & Chelsea-mind you it was a good job we brought in Diane Abbott to do the maths

[frizzell54]

2 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said:

Does this sweeping statement apply to all Socialists or just the ones who like terrorists?

 

 

 

I think the key word is 'his'.

[mcfluff1985]

Nothing like the left losing an election to see their true colours. Social media full of those same wankers who couldn't take democracy when the majority chose brexit, Trump and now the GE. Why do they only like the thought of democracy when they get their own way?

[HarryBosch]

15 hours ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

Hi was half drunk when I wrote that 

 

What I should have said was that their was no clear winner here and that Britain is still pretty divided politically

 

318-262 seems pretty clear...? 

[Matt]

5 minutes ago, HarryBosch said:

 

318-262 seems pretty clear...? 

 

'326 seats needed to win'

[kowenicki]

3 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said:

How old are you exactly?

 

Sorry?   

[kowenicki]

11 minutes ago, rummytheowl said:

 

'326 seats needed to win'

 

No. 326 needed for an outright majority. 

[UsedtobeWozzer]

14 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

No. 326 needed for an outright majority. 

Commonly known as a win.

[Matt]

36 minutes ago, kowenicki said:

 

No. 326 needed for an outright majority. 

Which is a decisive victory. This patched up crock of shite isn't a win. You think this is a win? Fuck me.

[ChaddySmoker]

2 hours ago, frizzell54 said:

 

I think the key word is 'his'.

I think that the key word is ideology.

[ChaddySmoker]

1 hour ago, rummytheowl said:

 

'326 seats needed to win'

Corbyn was actually only 1720 votes away from becomming the PM.

Dont tell the Tory Twts just yet though as it might spoil this soap opera! 

[leeslover]

1 hour ago, ChaddySmoker said:

Corbyn was actually only 1720 votes away from becomming the PM.

Dont tell the Tory Twts just yet though as it might spoil this soap opera! 

And the tories were a few dozen away themselves if you get to choose what seat they are cast in. Means fuck all. The Lib Dems would have won it for Labour, by keeping another election based in unfair boundaries. Instead we are looking for the DUP to keep it fair. Gerry Mander knows all about making sure every vote counts where it's needed

[kowenicki]

10 hours ago, rummytheowl said:

Which is a decisive victory. This patched up crock of shite isn't a win. You think this is a win? Fuck me.

 

No. I also don't think labour won, but others here do.  Now thats really fucked up.

[kowenicki]

9 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said:

Corbyn was actually only 1720 votes away from becomming the PM.

Dont tell the Tory Twts just yet though as it might spoil this soap opera! 

 

Spin.

 

Bu but we are always told by the left that its total votes that matters (usually when they have either scraped a win or just lost), 800,000 less in total votes for Corbyn.  May pollled more votes than Tony Blair ever managed and yet he was a landslide PM with unbelievable support apparently. FPTP creates funny old worlds. 

 

Those boundary changes should sort this mess out one way or another.  ?

Edited June 11, 2017 by kowenicki

[mikeroyboy]

With 48 hours barely reading anything but stewing plenty on the debacle - here goes.

 

Isn't it time our strong and stable suicide pilot and our mildly spoken giveaway host banged their heads together for the sake of our United Kingdom. Scotland have told Queen Nicola they have no stomach for another Independence Referendum. The UDP seem open to helping our, now, one armed leader. Pretty much the rest of the UK by a majority consensus are in favour of Brexit.

 

Now is the time to be facing up to the smug and intransigent EU as a proud and focused unit not a fractured melee.

 

All we hear from our self interested leaders is pontificating about their own ideology.

 

When are they going to realise we didn't vote for the (another vote) Liberal Democrats. We voted for a different route for our nation and the first road on the map is Europe.

 

[ChaddySmoker]

8 hours ago, leeslover said:

And the tories were a few dozen away themselves if you get to choose what seat they are cast in. Means fuck all. The Lib Dems would have won it for Labour, by keeping another election based in unfair boundaries. Instead we are looking for the DUP to keep it fair. Gerry Mander knows all about making sure every vote counts where it's needed

I was never attempting to portray it as a victory. I was explaining to certain people how close it was, in truth.

The rise of the SNP has seriously hurt the Labour Party and will continue to do so for quite a few years yet until they fizzle out.

A lot of people within the Labour Party realised that the collapse of the Lib Dems (plus UKIP) meant that we were never going to win this time.

The lady in flat shoes gave us a chance by choosing a date within the school (Uni) year when groups were still in cities not back in the home counties

My Saturday Newspaper carried an Election supplement containing details and analysis of all the results from around the UK.

'The most extraordinary election in British History' and I agree!     Their political commentary then went on to completely miss the salient point as most do on here.

Labour was mobilised. Jezza can now just sit back and watch everything unravel. The DUP will be bribed. The Scottish Tory Party will be prepared in the background.

May is a dead woman walking. What a time to be a Socialist.