General Election - 8th June 2017

[View Of Golden Gate]

4 minutes ago, HarryBosch said:

 

I find it mind boggling but that's exactly what's happened. 

 

I'm not sure this is the case in most areas the turnout was higher, I think it is more a case of younger voters went for Labour. No doubt there will be some UKIP supporters who made that swap, but I am not sure it is on the whole accurate to say that is exactly what happened.

 

I may be wrong, I have missed confirmation that this is the case. If so, fair enough, working on very little sleep, and so many stories it is likely I have missed something. I just do not understand the logic of jumping from right wing to left wing in two years, unless it was purely for the NHS.

 

Speaking in general, this was an obvious mistake from May and her advisers. I do wonder how many people voted for Labour because it felt like a movement, it felt like we were a part of something. The Tories seemed cold and distant from the electorate, another General before the end of the year could well produce a similar result though, so what do people think the next steps are?

[HarryBosch]

Just now, View Of Golden Gate said:

 

I'm not sure this is the case in most areas the turnout was higher, I think it is more a case of younger voters went for Labour. No doubt there will be some UKIP supporters who made that swap, but I am not sure it is on the whole accurate to say that is exactly what happened.

 

I may be wrong, I have missed confirmation that this is the case. If so, fair enough, working on very little sleep, and so many stories it is likely I have missed something. I just do not understand the logic of jumping from right wing to left wing in two years, unless it was purely for the NHS.

 

Speaking in general, this was an obvious mistake from May and her advisers. I do wonder how many people voted for Labour because it felt like a movement, it felt like we were a part of something. The Tories seemed cold and distant from the electorate, another General before the end of the year could well produce a similar result though, so what do people think the next steps are?

 

I'm not reading all that

 

 

[deyres42]

Lose 6 seats and Corbyn gets the keys she said...

[HarryBosch]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/jubilant-corbyn-celebrates-defeat-by-an-idiot-20170609129135

 

LABOUR leader Jeremy Corbyn has congratulated himself after being beaten by a political idiot.

Corbyn insisted that ‘nothing could stop him now’ and it was only a matter of time before he was defeated by whichever monumental cretin the Tories choose next.

 

He said: “I am very confident that I can now be beaten by a classic British idiot like Boris Johnson, or even someone as utterly moronic and dreadful as Andrea Leadsom.

“If the Tories are stupid enough to choose a dimwit like Liam Fox or David Davies then I can promise them both a reasonable level of victory.”

Calling for the current idiot to resign, he added: “The great test of a non-idiot politician is not just to beat me, but to beat the absolute living shit out of me.

“I win.”

 

[Magic Mikey]

3 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

Lose 6 seats and Corbyn gets the keys she said...

Yes, but feel the strength, revel in the stability

[GlossopLatic]

15 minutes ago, HarryBosch said:

41% of the vote but 58 seats behind the Conservatives after a poor Conservative campaign - can Labour ever win again under this system? 

 

You say this but the Tories had the full weight of the media savaging the labour leader and Labour even had Dianne Abbot fucking things up from the inside and the Tories still lost seats to them.

[HarryBosch]

4 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

You say this but the Tories had the full weight of the media savaging the labour leader and Labour even had Dianne Abbot fucking things up from the inside and the Tories still lost seats to them.

 

Yes, I know. That too.. 

 

? 

 

[leeslover]

1 hour ago, Crusoe said:

 

You keep saying this. What's your view based on? I find it hard to believe that voters who are passionate about Brexit and immigration controls would "go back" to Labour rather than the Conservatives.

It's possible to be a racist and a socialist at the same time 

[leeslover]

48 minutes ago, rummytheowl said:

On the point-of a Tory-led coalition Government, DUP – really?

 

 

My post Brexit wheeze of getting an Irish passport to piss Remainers off is back in play.

[Crusoe]

7 minutes ago, leeslover said:

It's possible to be a racist and a socialist at the same time 

 

I don't doubt it. I'm querying the statement that UKIP voters were returning to Labour, which just seemed counter-intuitive. I'm sure some did, but not as many as would have headed for the party more strongly associated with Euroscepticism and immigration controls.

[ChaddySmoker]

 

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Edited June 9, 2017 by ChaddySmoker
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[HarryBosch]

1 hour ago, Crusoe said:

 

I don't doubt it. I'm querying the statement that UKIP voters were returning to Labour, which just seemed counter-intuitive. I'm sure some did, but not as many as would have headed for the party more strongly associated with Euroscepticism and immigration controls.

 

Most of what I watched last night showed whichever percentage of each vote UKIP had lost had been shared almost exactly between Con and Lab, eg UKIP doen 15%, Lab up 10%, Con up 5%. Sometimes vice versa, sometimes almost exactly half each. 

Edited June 9, 2017 by HarryBosch

[ChaddySmoker]

1 hour ago, UsedtobeWozzer said:

Sky News - "May trying to form a government"

 

Sub text "but not as hard as Boris" ??

New Cabinet lined up already!

[ChaddySmoker]

It does look like we are having a Coalition of Chaos after all.

#CoalitionOfChaos

Edited June 9, 2017 by ChaddySmoker

[Magic Mikey]

19 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said:

New Cabinet lined up already!

Snooker referees in their tangerine away kit.

[UsedtobeWozzer]

DUP just described on Radio as the political wing of the 17th century ??

[opinions4u]

Not quite the result I predicted.  Or wanted.

 

But the ability of the British people to spot an arrogant politician who takes them for granted is to be admired.

 

Long live democracy.

[leeslover]

1 hour ago, Crusoe said:

 

I don't doubt it. I'm querying the statement that UKIP voters were returning to Labour, which just seemed counter-intuitive. I'm sure some did, but not as many as would have headed for the party more strongly associated with Euroscepticism and immigration controls.

UKIP and last night and Trump are all the same thing. 

[singe]

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52 minutes ago, opinions4u said:

Not quite the result I predicted.  Or wanted.

 

But the ability of the British people to spot an arrogant politician who takes them for granted is to be admired.

 

Long live democracy.

Agree, but poss different reasons.

it's strange more is not been made (by her supporters) of the fact the Tories won the poular vote quite convincingly 13.6m to 12.8m and are 6% up on last time. An opposite of US, amybe a reaction to that election.

 

The worst aspect of this result for me is that it took 500k votes to get a GReen MP, 120k to get each Lib Dem, and only 20k for each DUP and look who is wielding power.

Also the biggest constituencies are 100k+ (eg Isle of Wight) and the smallest inc DUP won ones are 20k. Pretty flawed system.

Edited June 9, 2017 by singe

[Diego_Sideburns]

The turnout increased from 66.1% in 2015 to 68.7%, which is still very poor, especially with so much at stake. It means that 14.7 million people who were eligible to vote did not do so. The turnout was down 3.5% on the EU referendum. With an average increase of 2.6% on the 2015 figure, Labour won the majority of seats where the turnout was up by more than 5%.

 

Turnout among 18-24 years olds has been reported to be 72%, a massive increase from the 43% who turned out in 2015. In the EU referendum that turnout was initially reported at 36%, but later research pegged it at 64%.

 

Corbyn was not supported by many within the Parliamentary Labour Party and many long-established and very experienced Party members throughout the country.  In spite of that, he increased Labour’s share of the vote from 30.4% in 2015 to 40.1%  This was Labour’s highest share of the vote in a general election since Blair’s 40.7% second landslide victory in 2001.

 

We have moved from so-called “strong and stable” to weak and wobbly government, and as we wait to see what develops from the hing Parliament, just think what position Labour could have been in if only the infighting within the Party had been by the few and not by the many…..

Edited June 9, 2017 by Diego_Sideburns

[singe]

2 minutes ago, Diego_Sideburns said:

The turnout increased from 66.1% in 2015 to 68.7%, which is still very poor, especially with so much at stake. It means that 14.7 million people who were eligible to vote did not do so. The turnout was down 3.5% on the EU referendum. With an average increase of 2.6% on the 2015 figure, Labour won the majority of seats where the turnout was up by more than 5%.

 

Turnout among 18-24 years olds has been reported to be 72%, a massive increase from the 43% who turned out in 2015. In the EU referendum that turnout was initially reported at 36%, but later research pegged it at 64%.

 

Corbyn was not supported by many within the Parliamentary Labour Party and many long-established and very experienced Party members throughout the country.  In spite of that, he increased Labour’s share of the vote from 30.4% in 2015 to 40.1%  This was Labour’s highest share of the vote in a general election since Blair’s 40.7% second landslide victory in 2001.

 

We have moved from so-called “strong and stable” to weak and wobbly government, and as we wait to see what develops from the hing Parliament, just think what position Labour could have been in if only the infighting within the Party had been by the few and not by the many…..

Given the fact we've had so many elections recently, I was actually surpised the turnout was so high.

[singe]

If you go back to PRe UKIP being strong, bascially Lib Dems have roughly propotionanately split between Lab and Con.

Seems starnage that is the way it is gone, and probably Brexit has completely muddied the waters, but that is roughly what has happened.

 

Edited June 9, 2017 by singe

[leeslover]

6 minutes ago, singe said:

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Agree, but poss different reasons.

it's strange more is not been made (by her supporters) of the fact the Tories won the poular vote quite convincingly 13.6m to 12.8m and are 6% up on last time. An opposite of US, amybe a reaction to that election.

 

The worst aspect of this result for me is that it took 500k votes to get a GReen MP, 120k to get each Lib Dem, and only 20k for each DUP and look who is wielding power.

Also the biggest constituencies are 100k+ (eg Isle of Wight) and the smallest inc DUP won ones are 20k. Pretty flawed system.

 

It's the Lib Dem's revenge -they backtracked on modernising the constituencies because the Tories didn't campaign for AV in that referendum. Probably enough to make a majority government 

[Stevie_J]

2 hours ago, Crusoe said:

 

I don't doubt it. I'm querying the statement that UKIP voters were returning to Labour, which just seemed counter-intuitive. I'm sure some did, but not as many as would have headed for the party more strongly associated with Euroscepticism and immigration controls.

The Financial Times' analysis suggests that the Tories were the biggest beneficiaries of UKIP's demise.

[ChaddySmoker]

40 minutes ago, singe said:

Agree, but poss different reasons.

it's strange more is not been made (by her supporters) of the fact the Tories won the poular vote quite convincingly 13.6m to 12.8m and are 6% up on last time. An opposite of US, amybe a reaction to that election.

 

The 'win' for Labour was achieved by targeting geographical areas-online but moreso on the ground. 

The effort in Oldham that I saw and I assume in many many other areas on the ground was superb including dragging people out yesterday. 

Twitter was as useful to Jezza as the Daily Mail & Sun were to that bloody difficult woman, in fact moreso since those rags insulted peoples intelligence