Dave_Og Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: He established himself with us to be fair to the lad... Hardly. Less than a full season. I'm just generally interested in Ryan's view. He obviously thinks there is no big attitude problem - he may be right, I don't know - so what is the issue that has seen him fail to build any sort of decent career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Ryan said: Not good enough for City or Wigan and precarious living conditions whilst at Kilmarnock meant he took a step down to go back home where he’d be comfortable and able to enjoy his football. Plenty of lads with brilliant attitudes go through umpteen clubs. It’s ridiculous to suggest that the number of clubs a footballer has played for is in anyway linked to attitude. It will be for some players, obviously. But as a general rule? Nah. So he wasn't good enough for Wigan who at the time were in League one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ryan said: Where? 4 hours ago, Londonboy said: In 3 years since joining Blackburn he has made 59 appearances across 5 clubs (42 of them for us!!) and is currently at Shamrock Rovers.....tells you everything you need to know about his attitude because his talent is unquestioned. That is supporting evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: So he wasn't good enough for Wigan who at the time were in League one? Correct. Did you see their midfield at the time? Powell, Power, Jacobs etc (and I’m probably forgetting some others) - they had an unbelievably good squad for that level. Championship standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, kowenicki said: That is supporting evidence. A lack of appearances is evidence? Ha! I’m done here as clearly none of you have any proof that he’s a ‘bad egg’. Ridiculous conclusion to draw based on the number of football games he’s played. There are many many reasons, other than attitude, why it sometimes doesn’t work out for footballers at certain clubs. Were Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah #badeggs at Chelsea with a combined 16 appearances in 4 years? Did Marc Klok only make 6 appearances in 14 months for Ross County because he was a bad influence in the dressing room? Edited May 28, 2019 by Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ryan said: Correct. Did you see their midfield at the time? Powell, Power, Jacobs etc (and I’m probably forgetting some others) - they had an unbelievably good squad for that level. Championship standard. Well he was nowt special then. At best mid table League One contrary to some of the claims of impending greatness that have followed him around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 He allegedly did for Fane, that in itself would be bad enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Well he was nowt special then. At best mid table League One contrary to some of the claims of impending greatness that have followed him around. I’d say he was upper League One level given that Wigan are a comfortable Championship side with virtually the same squad as when Jack left them. An upper League One standard midfielder, who’s just 23 so has a bit of time to further develop, is something we can only dream of going into the new season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 53 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Hardly. Less than a full season. I'm just generally interested in Ryan's view. He obviously thinks there is no big attitude problem - he may be right, I don't know - so what is the issue that has seen him fail to build any sort of decent career? He is only 23 so plenty of time. His lack of physical attributes will have and will probably always hold him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Ryan said: I’d say he was upper League One level given that Wigan are a comfortable Championship side with virtually the same squad as when Jack left them. An upper League One standard midfielder, who’s just 23 so has a bit of time to further develop, is something we can only dream of going into the new season... He's had plenty of time (and clubs) to develop. It looks like his careers spiralling downwards which is a great shame but there's only one person to blame. Are you his Social Worker feeling a bit guilty ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, Ryan said: I’d say he was upper League One level given that Wigan are a comfortable Championship side with virtually the same squad as when Jack left them. An upper League One standard midfielder, who’s just 23 so has a bit of time to further develop, is something we can only dream of going into the new season... What's an upper league one standard midfielder doing in League of Ireland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: What's an upper league one standard midfielder doing in League of Ireland? Earning significantly less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) Standing out as the best player in the country which has earned him ROI call-up... Out of the 8 other midfielders in the Irish squad only Alan Judge of Ipswich plays below Championship level. The majority of the rest ply their trade in the PL, so it's no mean feat... Edited May 28, 2019 by Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ryan said: Standing out as the best player in the country which has earned him ROI call-up... Out of the 8 other midfielders in the Irish squad only Alan Judge of Ipswich plays below Championship level. The majority of the rest ply their trade in the PL, so it's no mean feat... You just keep proving the point don’t you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Ryan said: A lack of appearances is evidence? Ha! I’m done here as clearly none of you have any proof that he’s a ‘bad egg’. Ridiculous conclusion to draw based on the number of football games he’s played. There are many many reasons, other than attitude, why it sometimes doesn’t work out for footballers at certain clubs. Were Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah #badeggs at Chelsea with a combined 16 appearances in 4 years? Did Marc Klok only make 6 appearances in 14 months for Ross County because he was a bad influence in the dressing room? I’m guessing Klok only made so few appearances due to being fucking garbage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Just now, simplythemostimportantkick said: I’m guessing Klok only made so few appearances due to being fucking garbage Wow, he’s a hard tackler... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 minute ago, LightDN123 said: Wow, he’s a hard tackler... So am I ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: So am I ! We need a few players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: I’m guessing Klok only made so few appearances due to being fucking garbage Exactly! Point being that there are one million reasons as to why a player might not cement themselves into a first-team at a club, bad attitude is just one of those many many reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ryan said: Exactly! Point being that there are one million reasons as to why a player might not cement themselves into a first-team at a club, bad attitude is just one of those many many reasons FFS Ryan. So you actually think his attitude was good do you? Did you ever go to any games he played in? His attutudeI stared you in the face most weeks! I'll leave it there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Londonboy said: FFS Ryan. So you actually think his attitude was good do you? Did you ever go to any games he played in? His attutudeI stared you in the face most weeks! I'll leave it there..... He was one of the most emotional at full-time at Northampton, visibly gutted. Undoubtably capable of a strop, as countless top players are, but the lad cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Ryan said: precarious living conditions whilst at Kilmarnock meant he took a step down to go back home where he’d be comfortable and able to enjoy his football. I need to know my about this. Was he in a flat with dodgy wiring? Or in digs with a couple of lads who stunk the shared toilet out every morning? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, leeslover said: I need to know my about this. Was he in a flat with dodgy wiring? Or in digs with a couple of lads who stunk the shared toilet out every morning? Heard it was a puncture on the rear near side of the “house” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 They tricked him. He only found out after he signed for them that Kilmarnock was in Scortland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 14 hours ago, Ryan said: He was one of the most emotional at full-time at Northampton, visibly gutted. Undoubtably capable of a strop, as countless top players are, but the lad cared. Give it a rest Ryan...you’re trying to defend the indefensible. It was blatantly obvious the lad was a slapped arse! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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