the_mighty_bosh Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, whittles left foot said: You mean like Wigan, Blackburn, Kilmarnock and us who all shipped him off-the lad has had umpteen opportunities and blown it every time thus far. If a player is going to blow his career then so be it. At the end of the day it's their loss more than ours. But in the last few years (during the end of Corney's tenure and so far during Marco's reign) we've given players like Byrne plenty of reasons to fail. We shouldn't be giving them the world but we should at least do the basics (i.e. pay them on time) so they at least have a chance to settle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, the_mighty_bosh said: An interesting read. It's not both sides of the story I'm sure and he didn't come across as the best character to have in the squad, but we need to offer an environment that allows talented but flawed players to perform to their best, or else we're not going to attract players to the club who are good enough to help us progress. I can't feel confident that the club is going to do this with Marco in charge. Personally speaking, I think we've tried the talented but flawed project for too long. Our turnover of players is far too high for over a decade now. I'd rather we concentrate on a bit of quality for a time.. We might just get promotion and more a chance of staying together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, whittles left foot said: You mean like Wigan, Blackburn, Kilmarnock and us who all shipped him off-the lad has had umpteen opportunities and blown it every time thus far. FFS wind it in with this bollocks. None of those clubs, other than us, offloaded him because he was a ‘bad egg’. Edited May 24, 2019 by Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, Ryan said: FFS wind it in with this bollocks. None of those clubs, other than us, offloaded him because he was a ‘bad egg’. We don't really know though do we ? The evidence is that none of his clubs thought enough of his undoubted talent to persevere with or ignore his antics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Ryan said: FFS wind it in with this bollocks. None of those clubs, other than us, offloaded him because he was a ‘bad egg’. So it was down to a lack of talent? Edited May 24, 2019 by LaticsPete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, LaticsPete said: So it was down to a lack of talent? More a lack of physical attributes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, deyres42 said: More a lack of physical attributes. More a lack of mental attributes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Ryan said: FFS wind it in with this bollocks. None of those clubs, other than us, offloaded him because he was a ‘bad egg’. Well that's wrong because he burnt his bridges with the normally mild mannered Paul Cook at Wigan very early on who didn't want him anywhere near the first team squad because he was a bad egg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Ryan said: FFS wind it in with this bollocks. None of those clubs, other than us, offloaded him because he was a ‘bad egg’. Well that’s just wrong isn’t it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMADE Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 He finished Fane and cost us in many ways, had more than enough chances but wasted his obvious talent, Shame really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Well that's wrong because he burnt his bridges with the normally mild mannered Paul Cook at Wigan very early on who didn't want him anywhere near the first team squad because he was a bad egg. Or Paul Cook didn't rate him as he already had a far superior player in the same sort of position. Byrne didn't fit into the 4-4-2 that Wellens played. As such he was often a square peg in a round hole. He drifted in and out of games as a result. I've never seen Paul Cook described as mild mannered. In fact I remember him when he managed Chesterfield and I was worried for his health because of his touchline antics. Byrne was signed by the previous manager and he wasn't the only player to be banished to Wigan's reserves by Cook. A lot were signed by the previous manager who lasted about 4 weeks more. That sort of thing happens in football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, rudemedic said: Or Paul Cook didn't rate him as he already had a far superior player in the same sort of position. Byrne didn't fit into the 4-4-2 that Wellens played. As such he was often a square peg in a round hole. He drifted in and out of games as a result. I've never seen Paul Cook described as mild mannered. In fact I remember him when he managed Chesterfield and I was worried for his health because of his touchline antics. Byrne was signed by the previous manager and he wasn't the only player to be banished to Wigan's reserves by Cook. A lot were signed by the previous manager who lasted about 4 weeks more. That sort of thing happens in football. He had an attitude problem at Wigan, that’s why they let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 11 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Well that's wrong because he burnt his bridges with the normally mild mannered Paul Cook at Wigan very early on who didn't want him anywhere near the first team squad because he was a bad egg. 9 hours ago, kowenicki said: Well that’s just wrong isn’t it. Please provide me with proof of Paul Cook, or any of the gaffers of the aforementioned clubs, criticising Jack’s attitude. Just one piece of evidence. 13 hours ago, LaticsPete said: So it was down to a lack of talent? Compared to the midfielders Wigan have/had in Powell, Jacobs and Max Power, yes. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a superb player at league one level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 https://twitter.com/hydeunited/status/1132573119108001792?s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 10 hours ago, BP1960 said: https://twitter.com/hydeunited/status/1132573119108001792?s=19 You still love him Alf, don’t you? He might be a lovely fella, but he was out of his depth here and at Halifax. A shocking gamble by Corney & his cronies inc Big Bad Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I wonder how long it will be before it will be acceptable to call the guy who blew up the arena a #Legend without people caring. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 2:20 AM, Ryan said: Please provide me with proof of Paul Cook, or any of the gaffers of the aforementioned clubs, criticising Jack’s attitude. Just one piece of evidence. Compared to the midfielders Wigan have/had in Powell, Jacobs and Max Power, yes. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a superb player at league one level. In 3 years since joining Blackburn he has made 59 appearances across 5 clubs (42 of them for us!!) and is currently at Shamrock Rovers.....tells you everything you need to know about his attitude because his talent is unquestioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Londonboy said: In 3 years since joining Blackburn he has made 59 appearances across 5 clubs (42 of them for us!!) and is currently at Shamrock Rovers.....tells you everything you need to know about his attitude because his talent is unquestioned. Does it? Like I’ve already said, I’d like some #Proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Ryan said: Does it? Like I’ve already said, I’d like some #Proof. You're never going to to get "proof" as such (it's not a Court of Law) but the evidence is quite compelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 . #SupportingEvidence, then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, Ryan said: . #SupportingEvidence, then... He’s just given you that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, kowenicki said: He’s just given you that... Where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ryan said: Where? Why do you think he has been unable to establish himself at a succession of clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Why do you think he has been unable to establish himself at a succession of clubs? He established himself with us to be fair to the lad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Just now, Dave_Og said: Why do you think he has been unable to establish himself at a succession of clubs? Not good enough for City or Wigan and precarious living conditions whilst at Kilmarnock meant he took a step down to go back home where he’d be comfortable and able to enjoy his football. Plenty of lads with brilliant attitudes go through umpteen clubs. It’s ridiculous to suggest that the number of clubs a footballer has played for is in anyway linked to attitude. It will be for some players, obviously. But as a general rule? Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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