mick26 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: That can't be right, surely? Equates to about 80 fans putting in £10 a month for 3 months on top of the lottery? Should change our name to Oldham Apathetic! (No slight intended on OASF, PTB etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, mick26 said: Equates to about 80 fans putting in £10 a month for 3 months on top of the lottery? Should change our name to Oldham Apathetic! (No slight intended on OASF, PTB etc). I meant the not being able to update the figure bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: I meant the not being able to update the figure bit. (Point still stands ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: That can't be right, surely? That's what I thought. I thought the £11,500 was before the auction event. I'm no techie but I'm struggling to believe that small bits of info can't be updated by anyone other than the developer. It really is poor. The website doesn't even have a list of current directors on it. Edited December 28, 2021 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 21 hours ago, oafcmetty said: I meant the not being able to update the figure bit. 21 hours ago, Dave_Og said: That's what I thought. I thought the £11,500 was before the auction event. I'm no techie but I'm struggling to believe that small bits of info can't be updated by anyone other than the developer. It really is poor. The website doesn't even have a list of current directors on it. They're only volunteers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: They're only volunteers... I have held back from speaking out in fear of damaging the Lottery and 1895 funding. But we are getting to the stage where not speaking out is damaging. I will try again, more forcefully. I care deeply about the Contingency Fund and given up a lot of personal time for it. I'm getting to the stage where the frustration is outweighing the benefit. Edited December 29, 2021 by singe 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 hour ago, singe said: I have held back from speaking out in fear of damaging the Lottery and 1895 funding. But we are getting to the stage where not speaking out is damaging. I will try again, more forcefully. I care deeply about the Contingency Fund and given up a lot of personal time for it. I'm getting to the stage where the frustration is outweighing the benefit. Only 14k in the pot. They can't keep people up to date. Save yourself the hassle. You've done a good job with your bit but it seems not everyone else on the trust gives a fuck. Tlthey can add stories etc to website but can't update a number? Horse shit. Even if that was the case they could have added a new story with updates on figures, they manage to add their open letters etc. Talk about lack of communication from the club. Pot kettle (Just to be clear, in no way a dig at you @singe) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said: Only 14k in the pot. They can't keep people up to date. Save yourself the hassle. You've done a good job with your bit but it seems not everyone else on the trust gives a fuck. Tlthey can add stories etc to website but can't update a number? Horse shit. Even if that was the case they could have added a new story with updates on figures, they manage to add their open letters etc. Talk about lack of communication from the club. Pot kettle (Just to be clear, in no way a dig at you @singe) Just finished listening to the pod from after the Exeter game a few weeks back. Matt talks openly about the shortcomings of a ‘contingency fund’ as being far too generic and uninspiring to incentivise people to invest. I couldn’t agree more. I have considered setting up a significant monthly direct debit but won’t do so until there is some more clarity as to what we are raising money for. What’s the end game? A rainy day fund won’t cut it. I emailed the trust months ago and asked them to go out to fans and get a mandate from them around the idea of fan ownership (be for some of the club or ground or both) which is the logical purpose of any fund raising initiative. This would give the fund a clear objective which people can get behind. Fans may reject that aim but otherwise the trust has no authority to be asking for money without significant clarity as to its objective. I received no response whatsoever. i ask again. Why is money being raised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The danger with being very specific is that another unforseen event/s could materialise, and having to go back to members could delay things. But being clear should not be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Just now, singe said: The danger with being very specific is that another unforseen event/s could materialise, and having to go back to members could delay things. But being clear should not be a problem. Fairly sure that could be managed through clear provisions which allow funds to be directed elsewhere should the need arise and as long as certain conditions are met. It’s woefully over simplistic at the moment and needs some proper legal input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Could the trust not go to Blitz and ask for a realist price for the ground etc. If we could have one, I’m sure there are a good few fans who would invest in their share of the ground. If we owned the ground as fans, there would be a bit more security against the club disappearing if we are relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Pidge said: Could the trust not go to Blitz and ask for a realist price for the ground etc. If we could have one, I’m sure there are a good few fans who would invest in their share of the ground. If we owned the ground as fans, there would be a bit more security against the club disappearing if we are relegated. Could OASF find 1,000 fans or businesses willing to each invest in one or more shares totalling £3milion ono?. I'd consider it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 57 minutes ago, Andy b said: Fairly sure that could be managed through clear provisions which allow funds to be directed elsewhere should the need arise and as long as certain conditions are met. It’s woefully over simplistic at the moment and needs some proper legal input Who does it benefit to delay things further? At the very least that could be done in parrallel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, singe said: Who does it benefit to delay things further? At the very least that could be done in parrallel. It benefits the credibility of the appeal for contributions if time is take to get the pitch right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Andy b said: It benefits the credibility of the appeal for contributions if time is take to get the pitch right Given the state we are in, I don't think it's going to make a huge difference. There are a couple or 3 parties that benefit from further delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 How much are the trust/supporters foundation directors contributing financially in pledges, to the Lottery or to the pot? Also, how much time have they contributed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 47 minutes ago, singe said: Given the state we are in, I don't think it's going to make a huge difference. There are a couple or 3 parties that benefit from further delay. You say that as if rushing something out will get us more money in a shorter timeframe. How so? More speed less haste is, I think, the term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 36 minutes ago, Andy b said: You say that as if rushing something out will get us more money in a shorter timeframe. How so? More speed less haste is, I think, the term. Rushing? The Trust was formed nearly 20 years ago. The Lottery has been going 9 months, lots of people have had time to comment if things were very wayward. Even the new PTB Directors have been in place 6 months, and they accused the previous incumbents of being slow. There is no absolute fundamental change, its tweaking. Why would anyone not want as much money as possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: How much are the trust/supporters foundation directors contributing financially in pledges, to the Lottery or to the pot? Also, how much time have they contributed? I'd love an answer to this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: I'd love an answer to this... I 100% reject any suggestion that trust directors need to answer this question. Irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Andy b said: I 100% reject any suggestion that trust directors need to answer this question. Irrelevant. So if the trust directors are campaigning for something, you think how much time they spend on it is irrelevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: So if the trust directors are campaigning for something, you think how much time they spend on it is irrelevant? Sorry. Time spent yes broadly relevant. How much personal money put in is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 57 minutes ago, Andy b said: Sorry. Time spent yes broadly relevant. How much personal money put in is not I'd want an answer to both. Doubt I'll get an answer to either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 6 hours ago, singe said: Even the new PTB Directors have been in place 6 months What PTB directors? Apologies if I’ve missed a post unsure what has been missed by us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Pidge said: Could the trust not go to Blitz and ask for a realist price for the ground etc. If we could have one, I’m sure there are a good few fans who would invest in their share of the ground. If we owned the ground as fans, there would be a bit more security against the club disappearing if we are relegated. That was the idea put forward at the meeting with the FLG and Blitz but then all of a sudden Abdallah had agreed a deal for the ground! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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