nzlatic Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: If the plan is good enough and a positive trajectory is achieved then investors are there to be had. Money makes money. Rothwells achieve promotion with the initial acquisition of the club. Further investment is put in from a third party who puts enough in the pot for a run to the Championship. The investor, plus the Rothwells make much more money than a dozen Nuttalls picking splinters out of their arses when the club is sold to an even bigger investor in the Championship. This is how I translate it as. Speculate to accumulate. The plan only derails if we stay at any of those levels for a considerable amount of time. It's dependant on overall success, which, if the plan is made, forecasted properly and stuck to, then has a more than good enough chance of achieving. Absolutely. And to navigate a company to long term success over decades suggests the Rothwells are well skilled at the sort of thing you’re describing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 This is a really good signing for this level Garner was brilliant at Preston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: If the plan is good enough and a positive trajectory is achieved then investors are there to be had. Money makes money. Rothwells achieve promotion with the initial acquisition of the club. Further investment is put in from a third party who puts enough in the pot for a run to the Championship. The investor, plus the Rothwells make much more money than a dozen Nuttalls picking splinters out of their arses when the club is sold to an even bigger investor in the Championship. This is how I translate it as. Speculate to accumulate. The plan only derails if we stay at any of those levels for a considerable amount of time. It's dependant on overall success, which, if the plan is made, forecasted properly and stuck to, then has a more than good enough chance of achieving. Sounds great- but can you give one example where a club has gone through the leagues with investors coming in along way to share the financial outlay and then exiting to a guy who is richer than them all combined and makes them whole on their investment. Bournemouth did it with one rich owner. Luton did it fan ownership and latterly a consortium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: He's on a contract to the end of next season so it's clearly a signing designed to try and get us out of this division by then. Bags of experience, lot of playing time under his belt and an utter pain in the arse to play against. It's a dynamic Norwood thrives on and someone who will be on a similar wavelength. It'll be interesting to see where he fits Dallas into this so it points more towards a favoured 4-3-3. Fondop's the obvious candidate to make way I would expect. I think Mike's most effective position is coming off the bench for a bit of extra physicality anyway so he should have a part to play still. As a Latics fan growing up in the 80's, having a striker called Garner still doesn't sit right with me. You mention 4-3-3 a lot, but hasn't Mellon mentioned he thinks we are more suited to 3-5-2...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 52 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: If the plan is good enough and a positive trajectory is achieved then investors are there to be had. Money makes money. Rothwells achieve promotion with the initial acquisition of the club. Further investment is put in from a third party who puts enough in the pot for a run to the Championship. The investor, plus the Rothwells make much more money than a dozen Nuttalls picking splinters out of their arses when the club is sold to an even bigger investor in the Championship. This is how I translate it as. Speculate to accumulate. The plan only derails if we stay at any of those levels for a considerable amount of time. It's dependant on overall success, which, if the plan is made, forecasted properly and stuck to, then has a more than good enough chance of achieving. I cannot believe that there are still posters who think money can be made from running/owning a football club. do they never read a paper or look at BBC Sport etc and see what a money pit football is at just about every level? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: You mention 4-3-3 a lot, but hasn't Mellon mentioned he thinks we are more suited to 3-5-2...? He mentioned that before we made any signings to be fair. Presumably if he doesn’t want to play 3-5-2 long term then his signings to date would allow for a switch to his preferred formation at some point. What his preferred formation is I do not know, it may well still be 3-5-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistingMyMellon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: As a Latics fan growing up in the 80's, having a striker called Garner still doesn't sit right with me. Yeah Big Bird was terrifying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukers1 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I’ve just spoken to my mate who’s a Preston fan. I said we signed Joe Garner, he replied…. He’s an intelligent little fucker who has a handbag full of shithousery. Will win you scores of fouls, winds the opposition up and is excellent at holding the ball up. Hard as nails and puts himself about and he’s excellent in the air. He’s a clever footballer who will be hated by the away fans but will give everything. Apparently likes a night out also but will become a overnight fans cult hero… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 28 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: You mention 4-3-3 a lot, but hasn't Mellon mentioned he thinks we are more suited to 3-5-2...? He has, but that was 4-5bsignimgs ago wasn’t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, Lukers1 said: I’ve just spoken to my mate who’s a Preston fan. I said we signed Joe Garner, he replied…. He’s an intelligent little fucker who has a handbag full of shithousery. Will win you scores of fouls, winds the opposition up and is excellent at holding the ball up. Hard as nails and puts himself about and he’s excellent in the air. He’s a clever footballer who will be hated by the away fans but will give everything. Apparently likes a night out also but will become a overnight fans cult hero… He'll do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts2 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 22 minutes ago, whittles left foot said: I cannot believe that there are still posters who think money can be made from running/owning a football club. do they never read a paper or look at BBC Sport etc and see what a money pit football is at just about every level? Think the qoute is " how do you make a small fortune from owning a football club " ? " start with a large fortune " 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, Lukers1 said: Apparently likes a night out also but will become a overnight fans cult hero… Is that what Jack Byrne's tweet referred to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, League one forever said: Sounds great- but can you give one example where a club has gone through the leagues with investors coming in along way to share the financial outlay and then exiting to a guy who is richer than them all combined and makes them whole on their investment. Bournemouth did it with one rich owner. Luton did it fan ownership and latterly a consortium. There isn’t a team other than Luton to go from our level to the Prem granted. And that isn’t a realistic achievement if truth be known. However the Championship is, and that can be achieved by attracting investment on the back of momentum. I’m pretty sure the owners have gone on record to say they’re well positioned to fund us up to L1 / Championship but they would be looking to seek investment or sell the club in order to take it further. There were appointments made on the board with that in mind. 25 minutes ago, whittles left foot said: I cannot believe that there are still posters who think money can be made from running/owning a football club. do they never read a paper or look at BBC Sport etc and see what a money pit football is at just about every level? If they were that bad an investment then all clubs below the Prem would be fan owned and run ultra-prudently, wouldn’t they? It’s only when the milk starts to turn sour they become a millstone for a disinterested owner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said: There isn’t a team other than Luton to go from our level to the Prem granted. And that isn’t a realistic achievement if truth be known. However the Championship is, and that can be achieved by attracting investment on the back of momentum. I’m pretty sure the owners have gone on record to say they’re well positioned to fund us up to L1 / Championship but they would be looking to seek investment or sell the club in order to take it further. There were appointments made on the board with that in mind. Yeah, I remember Frank/the family saying that. I think Frank paid circa 20 million for the whole club, he made another 5 million available last season. Let’s say that outlay gets us up to league two and he brings in an investor who puts in another 5 million and we go up again. We’re now competing at top end of league one against the likes of pompey with crowds of 20k. They can’t really stretch to getting us into the championship and look to sell. Who at that point is paying £30 million for a relatively small League one side?? To then know they have to spend x millions on top to get us up into championship. Much more likely is- Frank and his investors give it their best shot, but won’t and can’t bankrupt themselves and they exit at a loss. Edited January 31 by League one forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Littlemoor Lad said: This is a really good signing for this level Garner was brilliant at Preston. Er…in 2016 he might have been..last time I checked, it’s 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMarshall's Mullet Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, Oldham82 said: We signed gregan, liddel and the magical Sheridan all mid 30s all great Not forgetting David Eyres of course….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 It's a signing that suggests we're certainly going for it this season. He's got the experience and the quality, hopefully he still has the fitness and energy to go with it. Time will tell. I'll be honest I can't get over that goal he scored in the playoffs against Rotherham years ago, up there with the best goals I've ever seen. Sheer class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, League one forever said: Yeah, I remember Frank/the family saying that. I think Frank paid circa 20 million for the whole club, he made another 5 million available last season. Let’s say that outlay gets us up to league two and he brings in an investor who puts in another 5 million and we go up again. We’re now competing at top end of league one against the likes of pompey with crowds of 20k. They can’t really stretch to getting us into the championship and look to sell. Who at that point is paying £30 million for a relatively small League one side?? To then know they have to spend x millions on top to get us up into championship. Much more likely is- Frank and his investors give it their best shot, but won’t and can’t bankrupt themselves and they exit at a loss. You’re thinking about it as just the football club though. There are bigger plans for the plot as a whole. That should increase the overall value of the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Lee Sinnott said: You mention 4-3-3 a lot, but hasn't Mellon mentioned he thinks we are more suited to 3-5-2...? Yeah but maybe that’s why he’s signing the players he is to move away from 352. If we could bring in a #10 and relegate Sheron to the bench, get Conlon match fit, then a 433/4231 would suit us nicely, although I do have reservations about Kitching as an out and out FB because I think he’s quite poor defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, nzlatic said: You’re thinking about it as just the football club though. There are bigger plans for the plot as a whole. That should increase the overall value of the club. Aye, fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, yarddog73 said: He'll do We’re short on shithousery and have been devoid of it for years. Norwood is good at it, add Garner to the mix and it looks much better. Its an underrated trait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Lukers1 said: I’ve just spoken to my mate who’s a Preston fan. I said we signed Joe Garner, he replied…. He’s an intelligent little fucker who has a handbag full of shithousery. Will win you scores of fouls, winds the opposition up and is excellent at holding the ball up. Hard as nails and puts himself about and he’s excellent in the air. He’s a clever footballer who will be hated by the away fans but will give everything. Apparently likes a night out also but will become a overnight fans cult hero… Sounds like your mates seen him play live ! Been written off here by many already tho. I trust Mellon knows what he’s all about. be a good signing this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, sjk2008 said: We’re short on shithousery and have been devoid of it for years. Norwood is good at it, add Garner to the mix and it looks much better. Its an underrated trait. Conlon did a fair bit against Barnet too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Conlon did a fair bit against Barnet too. Yeah good point. Hogan is also capable of it come to think of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukers1 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: Sounds like your mates seen him play live ! Been written off here by many already tho. I trust Mellon knows what he’s all about. be a good signing this. Yeah, he also said if Neil Warnock was a football player he’d be Joe Garner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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