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4 hours ago, hollandspies said:

Until Raglan offered himself to the club, Rhino had his two centre halves set in stone, with Sutton as backup. 

We would have setup 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 depending on the opposition because he more or less said so at the fans forum and even alluded to the possibility that Sutton could play full back. 
Signing Raglan has changed the whole dynamic of his defensive mindset because, it would seem that he hasn’t got the bottle to bench one. 
 

Why does he feel the need to play the 3……in a 5? 

There’s not one player in our squad who should expect to have the god given right to start. Rhino needs to hammer that home. 
 

Indeed, Raglan is a great signing and our squad depth is significantly improved. 

We crave for depth in our squad but prefer quality over quantity.
We will have that once a RB is added. 

That should allow for a starting 11 who are all specialists in the positions they play along with a strong bench which can offer like for like replacements when necessary. 

That said, we should never ever see the words ‘square pegs’ and ‘round holes’ mentioned again! 

 

 

Hogan should be dropped from the 3, though I have reservations about Hobson who seems a bit of a donkey in all honesty. 

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England’s women play 352, it’s not really that difficult so long as your two wide men have both defensive and attacking qualities coupled with pace and stamina, if they don’t have those alongside an appetite to get up and down the pitch then you shouldn’t really play it.

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10 minutes ago, Stainrod said:

England’s women play 352, it’s not really that difficult so long as your two wide men have both defensive and attacking qualities coupled with pace and stamina, if they don’t have those alongside an appetite to get up and down the pitch then you shouldn’t really play it.

women are far cleverer than men

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532 (or 352) can clearly work as a formation as other posters have illustrated but it's never worked for us under Unsworth. Whether that's because of personnel, coaching, or a combination of the two I don't know. But whenever we play it, it is resolutely 532, rarely 352, and as a result we end up over run in midfield and frequently gift overloads to the opposition, which is what happened in the first half against Southend. Tbf, we were the better team in the second half until Sutton got sent off but I don't know if that was down to effort, or a tweaked system, difficult to tell from behind the goal.

 

Our squad does look unbalanced with all the strikers and four centre halves but little in the way of full backs.

 

Really hope we revert to 442 on Saturday or I fear another fruitless afternoon.  

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15 minutes ago, Hemel latic said:

532 (or 352) can clearly work as a formation as other posters have illustrated but it's never worked for us under Unsworth. Whether that's because of personnel, coaching, or a combination of the two I don't know. But whenever we play it, it is resolutely 532, rarely 352, and as a result we end up over run in midfield and frequently gift overloads to the opposition, which is what happened in the first half against Southend. Tbf, we were the better team in the second half until Sutton got sent off but I don't know if that was down to effort, or a tweaked system, difficult to tell from behind the goal.

 

Our squad does look unbalanced with all the strikers and four centre halves but little in the way of full backs.

 

Really hope we revert to 442 on Saturday or I fear another fruitless afternoon.  

We’ve been waiting for change for almost a full season and close season under Unsworth.
Saturdays performance shows that we’re still waiting.

Thats almost a year so to expect anything different in a week is asking a lot….it’s not happening!

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2 hours ago, Hemel latic said:

532 (or 352) can clearly work as a formation as other posters have illustrated but it's never worked for us under Unsworth. Whether that's because of personnel, coaching, or a combination of the two I don't know. But whenever we play it, it is resolutely 532, rarely 352, and as a result we end up over run in midfield and frequently gift overloads to the opposition, which is what happened in the first half against Southend. Tbf, we were the better team in the second half until Sutton got sent off but I don't know if that was down to effort, or a tweaked system, difficult to tell from behind the goal.

 

Our squad does look unbalanced with all the strikers and four centre halves but little in the way of full backs.

 

Really hope we revert to 442 on Saturday or I fear another fruitless afternoon.  

 

It's not working for us as you need quick centre backs to cover for marauding wing backs..we have none of these.

Yarney would have fitted in but he's gone.

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38 minutes ago, doctor evil said:

We played 352 because that's what Southend play.....

 

As I said, they had quick players who knew how to use it.

As the Governess once said on The Chase..Oldham Athletic doesn't fit.

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3-5-2 can work if you have the right players. Two proper wing backs, with a playmaker in the hole and a CDM and ball playing midfielder in the middle. That on Saturday was so negative it was practically a back 7, with absolutely no thought as to how to provide the strikers (including our marquee signing) with service. It felt like the only consideration given to that formation was to not lose. Which went well.

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15 hours ago, Wardie said:

He will persist with it because he believes he is right, that it is the way to go with these players and he won't lose his job over it.

I thought he ideally wanted to set-up as 4-3-3 or am I dreaming that?

Has anyone noticed that he says things e.g. formation will be 433, we're not in for Willoughby, we'll sign a couple on loan, and then the opposite happens. Is he doing this deliberately or is he just changing his mind all the time? Perhaps he's just clueless...

 

I hate playing five at the back. We've rarely had success with it. It's very boring and negative. The only time it looked ok for a while was when Tony Henry played as a sweeper (what an underrated player he was). 

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2 minutes ago, bigfatjoe1 said:

Has anyone noticed that he says things e.g. formation will be 433, we're not in for Willoughby, we'll sign a couple on loan, and then the opposite happens. Is he doing this deliberately or is he just changing his mind all the time? Perhaps he's just clueless...

 

I hate playing five at the back. We've rarely had success with it. It's very boring and negative. The only time it looked ok for a while was when Tony Henry played as a sweeper (what an underrated player he was). 

 

Good player Tony Henry, not quick, but had vision and could certainly pass a ball.

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51 minutes ago, Guy Branston Pickle said:

 

3-5-2 can work if you have the right players

 


 

Whether it can work or is a good formation is moot really to the central point. 
 

The results when he plays 352 are dreadful, the results when he plays 442 are much better. 
 

I don’t care how we do it- I just want to win. 
 

It’s absolutely nonsensical to persist with a system that doesn’t generate results. We are not his vanity project, we are football club desperate for some progress and success - however it comes. 

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9 minutes ago, League one forever said:


 

Whether it can work or is a good formation is moot really to the central point. 
 

The results when he plays 352 are dreadful, the results when he plays 442 are much better. 
 

I don’t care how we do it- I just want to win. 
 

It’s absolutely nonsensical to persist with a system that doesn’t generate results. We are not his vanity project, we are football club desperate for some progress and success - however it comes. 

That was the point of the rest of my post which you've decided to remove. We don't have the players for that formation, so i don't understand why he persists with it...

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