Barry Owen

[underdog]

Tracey if the £5 subscription doesnt give voting rights then it is not worth paying![/quote

 

I know what your saying, I think at the time it was also going to help fans with other things too like advance tickets sales, discounts etc sort of like a NUS card, trust events.

 

So I would really like to get my facts right for you as I don't want anyone to pay the fiver and then this is not the case...who you gonna call? Well not ghostbusters...you'll be coming after me my friend.

 

So can you give me time to clarify? Thanks

[nzlatic]

I've explained how Barry Blatter lost the trust of the masses. Until these lessons are learnt by the foot soldiers, ie not everything can be cascaded down, not every popular fans wish list can be met, then the trust in the chair starts to evaporate.

 

Not everything each individual member comes up with that should have been updated on the website, not every question ever posed by every single member will get asked.........................it's time consuming for committee folk who have full time jobs. It's a thankless task and my mocking is wishing this on the bright young things who like to dish out the flack the best of luck.

Is that really how he has lost the trust of the masses? By not reporting every minute detail he's party to back to the fans?

 

I think that's doing a lot of people a great disservice.

 

Personally speaking I've backed him for a long while (in thought rather than action) but now there seems to be no connection to the fans at all. The quote in the bbc article from October was that fans would be consulted should any move like this be being considered. How has this happened? As he's chairman of the trust for me that meant a meeting of trust members at the very least. The people he's supposed to be representing.

 

I'm sure the role would be very demanding and any candidate would have to have a thick skin - you can't please all the people, all of the time.

 

But voting Barry out as chairman of the trust isn't about getting a direct replacement, it's about a complete rethink of the role and what it is supposed to be there for in my opinion.

[ghostofcecere]

The reason Barry lost the dressing room with the fans is nothing to do with not passing on boardroom secrets, nobody would expect him to do that. It was to do with him becoming a mouthpiece for the board rather than a mouthpiece the fans he is supposed to represent.

[underdog]

Couldnt we find the policy when we needed it this week then ?

Burnt it with my bra..hey ho it's all my fault.

[Lags]

Is that really how he has lost the trust of the masses? By not reporting every minute detail he's party to back to the fans?

 

I think that's doing a lot of people a great disservice.

 

Personally speaking I've backed him for a long while (in thought rather than action) but now there seems to be no connection to the fans at all. The quote in the bbc article from October was that fans would be consulted should any move like this be being considered. How has this happened? As he's chairman of the trust for me that meant a meeting of trust members at the very least. The people he's supposed to be representing.

 

I'm sure the role would be very demanding and any candidate would have to have a thick skin - you can't please all the people, all of the time.

 

But voting Barry out as chairman of the trust isn't about getting a direct replacement, it's about a complete rethink of the role and what it is supposed to be there for in my opinion.

 

It's how it starts...a trickle that becomes a flooded river with dislike and mis trust on all sides.

 

[IceStationLatic]

Do we need to be careful here?

 

Is the 'it's all Barry's fault' our mob bandwagon that's building, taking out frustration...

 

Simon Corney drive this pursuit of Ched Evans.

 

The push to sign him was a unanimous decision by the entire board, not just Barry.

 

Ignoring the fact that Corney wouldn't have probably welcomed it, would stoking the fires on this sensitive issue by opening some sort of debate with fans (just how would he have done that without it being hijacked?) been a good idea, or possible?

 

He might be a plonker at times, and he's our plonker, but this is far from just about him?

 

Just saying...

[BP1960]

If anyone wants to research the trust please go to

 

www.trustoldham.co.uk

 

There should be meeting notes on there as well as other information too. I have copied this snippet off the site.

 

"AGM: confirmation of what the mission statement is: 1) protecting the future of Oldham Athletic. 2) representing the views of the fans and the community. 3) investing in the future of Oldham Athletic."

 

Please note a date of the next meeting has not been set yet by the trust, but I am confident one will be set soon.

 

Thanks

I have been secretary of our local residents association for many years, its a tough job and if you feel you might need some advice on certain procedures I am willing to pop down and show you how we adopt our constitution. Edited January 9, 2015 by BP1960

[Lags]

The reason Barry lost the dressing room with the fans is nothing to do with not passing on boardroom secrets, nobody would expect him to do that. It was to do with him becoming a mouthpiece for the board rather than a mouthpiece the fans he is supposed to represent.

 

Yes and that.....but it starts at the beginning. Something's what the fans want is not what is good for the club, a bit like everything the unions want only the firm would now financially it would take it under. Of course the firm sometimes doesn't want the worker's and therefor the competitors to know this snipet......so it doesn't let on. The Chair gets to hear stuff that's not for the world.

[Midsblue]

How did Barry managed to get voted as Chairman in the first place? He's not well liked on here and not the easiest person to warm to so just curious who voted him and why.

 

Power probably gone to his head but I'm afraid that that power has made him virtually untouchable now. Vote him off but he'll remain as an OAFC board member I have no doubt. Probably sees his Trust role as a hindrance to being a fully paid up board member anyway.

[oafc0000]

 

Yes and that.....but it starts at the beginning. Something's what the fans want is not what is good for the club, a bit like everything the unions want only the firm would now financially it would take it under. Of course the firm sometimes doesn't want the worker's and therefor the competitors to know this snipet......so it doesn't let on. The Chair gets to hear stuff that's not for the world.

 

I think the aim should always be to be as transparent as possible. I think most fans accept some things can't be discussed openly. I think its fair to say the current level of transparency is way below what it could be.

[pukka]

The head of the trust / fans rep or whatever you want to call him / her will only work if:

 

1. He / She feels he can be outed.

2. The committee are large. The more contributors, the better. Ultimately though, one person must make tough decisions

3. The committee are committed. Apathy has got us here. Regardless of Barry's faults, people doing nothing have made this worse.

4. Simon and the board must be willing to listen to the trust. Will this be a problem? I don't know.

5. The trust must be willing to listen to the board. Co-operation is key.

6. Honesty. Some things are not for the public, but honesty is key.

[underdog]

I have been secretary of our local residents association for many years, its a tough job and if you feel you might need some advice on certain procedures I am willing to pop down and show you how we adopt our constitution.

Excellent, what harm can it do and if you feel it's not for you/ waste of time I might buy you a pint to make up for the emotional trauma of it all.

 

TBA on trust date

[deyres42]

Edit: Wrong thread

Edited January 9, 2015 by deyres42

[youngen]

The only good thing about Barry is that he isnt Michael Oliver

[BP1960]

Excellent, what harm can it do and if you feel it's not for you/ waste of time I might buy you a pint to make up for the emotional trauma of it all.

 

TBA on trust date

 

Ok I will check that out, mind you I don't want the job - just to compare how others go about things in different ways.

I might also look at the possibility (if you haven't one already) of setting up temporary membership database on Microsoft Word.

[beag_teeets]

 

Ok I will check that out, mind you I don't want the job - just to compare how others go about things in different ways.

I might also look at the possibility (if you haven't one already) of setting up temporary membership database on Microsoft Word.

 

You'd better off using Microsoft Access or even Excel than Word.

[oafc0000]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=club+membership+software

[BP1960]

 

You'd better off using Microsoft Access or even Excel than Word.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=club+membership+software

 

 

 

 

Thanks bg and oafc0000 good advice, however, I was thinking of a temporary measure with software most used on laptops and tablets, Word as a simple database is easier than Excel in my humble opinion and there are templates that can be adapted.

Edited January 9, 2015 by BP1960

[oafc0000]

Its easier to just get something off the shelf than reinvent the wheel at the same time....

[singe]

How did Barry managed to get voted as Chairman in the first place? He's not well liked on here and not the easiest person to warm to so just curious who voted him and why.

 

Power probably gone to his head but I'm afraid that that power has made him virtually untouchable now. Vote him off but he'll remain as an OAFC board member I have no doubt. Probably sees his Trust role as a hindrance to being a fully paid up board member anyway.

When he was elected, no one knew anything of him. And he volunteered the time.

His charachter has only emerged over the years.

[BP1960]

Its easier to just get something off the shelf than reinvent the wheel at the same time....

 

Databases are simple to create though on Word, I agree in the long term a specialist database is a better option for a professional organisation, my idea is just to get things off paper temporarily and transfer details over once the specialist database in in place.

[oafc0000]

Better to just buy something proper from the word go...

 

Nothing special about it. The trust doesn't need anything special. Just a simple members database....

 

Saying this I have no idea how they are getting around getting all the details on their members from the club... Data protection and such like...

 

I did ask the question but no proper reply ever given.

Edited January 9, 2015 by oafc0000

[singe]

Could I re-iterate a call in the other thread. Could we have a To Do list or wish list for everone to offer their services. I can see that BP is offering the database membership, which is great, and I commend you for it although I think there are better wsystems than word for it. and maybe a pause would be better. Look at the bigger pciture first.

THen maybe groups of people could share the load too.

[singe]

 

Databases are simple to create though on Word, I agree in the long term a specialist database is a better option for a professional organisation, my idea is just to get things off paper temporarily and transfer details over once the specialist database in in place.

 

 

Better to just buy something proper from the word go...

I agree, it duplicating effort.

Nothing against your intent BP1960, not having a go at you at all. and well done for getting things moving. I applaud you in fact.

 

Word is a paid for system now, and is not completely compatibile with itself let alone other systems.

Google Docs might be better.

Two of us did some work on our towns Local Neighbourhood Plan and after looking at numerous options, the Google Docs offered the bet value for money, low cost easy access and large free capacity.

Edited January 9, 2015 by singe

[HarryBosch]

Do people just want him to step down from the Trust or to leave the club altogether?

 

Despite his buffoonery he will have valuable experience in football administration etc. I'd imagine....

 

Is it worth it though?

 

Would it be a better business decision to pay someone, eg £30k a year (i've no idea what the going rate is for such a role) who will just get on with the job without constantly dropping these costly bollocks ?

Edited January 9, 2015 by HarryBosch