SavageTheBeast Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Chris Iwelumo UEFA A Licence holder is in favour of the Rooney rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Chris Iwelumo UEFA A Licence holder is in favour of the Rooney rule The Rooney rule being "if Latics sign a ginger striker he shall be ineffective until transferred elsewhere". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Chris Iwelumo UEFA A Licence holder is in favour of the Rooney rule He'll probably need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Will be the wage budget. Think ours is rumoured to be around 1 mil. I've heard around 1.5m for next season. I imagine the money saved from Holden staying until end of the season will help next season'savailable budget. And it gives Holden good experience and left the door open for him to come very good, as a pleasant surprise, and keep the job himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I've heard around 1.5m for next season. I imagine the money saved from Holden staying until end of the season will help next season'savailable budget. And it gives Holden good experience and left the door open for him to come very good, as a pleasant surprise, and keep the job himself. How does this compare to other budgets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I've heard around 1.5m for next season. I imagine the money saved from Holden staying until end of the season will help next season'savailable budget. And it gives Holden good experience and left the door open for him to come very good, as a pleasant surprise, and keep the job himself. How does this compare to other budgets we've had in the past, and other teams in this league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) I've heard around 1.5m for next season. I imagine the money saved from Holden staying until end of the season will help next season'savailable budget. And it gives Holden good experience and left the door open for him to come very good, as a pleasant surprise, and keep the job himself. Well either the £1m figure for his season is wrong or the £1.5m for next is wrong as it's hard to imagine where a 50% increase would come from! Edited April 1, 2015 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Well either the £1m figure for his season is wrong or the £1.5m for next is wrong as it's hard to imagine where a 50% increase would come from! From the new Stand obviously as predicted by our illustrious leader!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Nobody seems to be raisng the question of how many black managers are applying for the jobs that become available. They won't be getting management positions if nobody is applying! Also for example, if Latics recieved 120 applicants for the post and only one black candidate applied the odds are heavily stacked against that candidate in the first place. Now if Latics recieved 120 applicants and 119 who applied were black and the one applicant who was white was appointed you may start to be suspicious of racist undertones. I really don't believe this latest media furore about football being racist as there are very few black managers. If Mourinho was black, with the record he has in the game, every club in the world would still want him what ever the colour of skin he had. At the end of the day football is a results business, and clubs will appoint whoever they believe will bring success whatever colour or creed they are. And as has already been pointed out, Barnes, Ince etc. just haven't cut it in management, and that has nothing to do with skin colour at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Well either the £1m figure for his season is wrong or the £1.5m for next is wrong as it's hard to imagine where a 50% increase would come from! Pretty sure the £1 was from the days when Leeslover and Latics & England went and saw the books. Whilst it won't have rocketed, it is feasible that it would be £1.5m by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) Nobody seems to be raisng the question of how many black managers are applying for the jobs that become available. They won't be getting management positions if nobody is applying! Also for example, if Latics recieved 120 applicants for the post and only one black candidate applied the odds are heavily stacked against that candidate in the first place. Now if Latics recieved 120 applicants and 119 who applied were black and the one applicant who was white was appointed you may start to be suspicious of racist undertones. I really don't believe this latest media furore about football being racist as there are very few black managers. If Mourinho was black, with the record he has in the game, every club in the world would still want him what ever the colour of skin he had. At the end of the day football is a results business, and clubs will appoint whoever they believe will bring success whatever colour or creed they are. And as has already been pointed out, Barnes, Ince etc. just haven't cut it in management, and that has nothing to do with skin colour at all. I don't doubt it's gone on in the past and maybe it went on a lot but, nowadays I'd be amazed if an applicants skin colour even entered the head of more than 2 or 3 of the 92 owners. On the one hand, as long as it's aswell as our actual chosen candidates not instead of, I don't see the harm in us, or any other club, having to interview a quota of black applicants but - which one(s)? And who decides which ones? And how? Will they take it in turns? What if 10 black players retire each summer and want to go on "the list" - does the excellent candidate who almost got the job at his last interview have to go to the back of the queue and never get an interview again? Where does the sought after, well respected black manager who would have definitely got an interview anyway fit in? Does he take the place of the non-outstanding candidate the rule was designed to give a leg up to? Will he be asked not to apply for the next job up because it's not his turn? There's nothing positive about discrimination..... Edited April 1, 2015 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) I don't doubt it's gone on in the past and maybe it went on a lot but, nowadays I'd be amazed if an applicants skin colour even entered the head of more than 2 or 3 of the 92 owners. On the one hand, as long as it's aswell as our actual chosen candidates not instead of, I don't see the harm in us, or any other club, having to interview a quota of black applicants but - which one(s)? And who decides which ones? And how? Will they take it in turns? What if 10 black players retire each summer and want to go on "the list" - does the excellent candidate who almost got the job at his last interview have to go to the back of the queue and never get an interview again? Where does the sought after, well respected black manager who would have definitely got an interview anyway fit in? Does he take the place of the non-outstanding candidate the rule was designed to give a leg up to? Will he be asked not to apply for the next job up because it's not his turn? There's nothing positive about discrimination..... There wouldn't be a list, surely. My understanding is that if a number of black candidates applied then some of them would have to be interviewed. Whether this is just a minimum of one or a percentage of those that apply I don't know, but I can't imagine you'd have to register as an Out of Work Black manager, it would be open to any black man (or woman) applying. As for finding it difficult to believe that people would let this issue cloud their judgement...I find it difficult to believe there was a white supremacist rally in Manchester on Saturday, There was though. Edited April 1, 2015 by LaticsChris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 There wouldn't be a list, surely. My understanding is that if a number of black candidates applied then some of them would have to be interviewed. Whether this is just a minimum of one or a percentage of those that apply I don't know, but I can't imagine you'd have to register as an Out of Work Black manager, it would be open to any black man (or woman) applying. As for finding it difficult to believe that people would let this issue cloud their judgement...I find it difficult to believe there was a white supremacist rally in Manchester on Saturday, There was though. In a football world where results and money are so important surely even a properly racist owner would still interview a black candidate he thought might bring him success? If former high ranking coppers can move heaven & earth to sign convicted rapists...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 As for finding it difficult to believe that people would let this issue cloud their judgement...I find it difficult to believe there was a white supremacist rally in Manchester on Saturday, There was though. Who probably represent an even tinier minority than my 2 or 3 owners....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 In a football world where results and money are so important surely even a properly racist owner would still interview a black candidate he thought might bring him success? If former high ranking coppers can move heaven & earth to sign convicted rapists...... My suspicion is that it's not a case of chairmen/owners thinking "I don't want to employ him because he's black", but more a case of an ingrained distrust of other races/people who are different, possibly because these owners/chairmen are from an older, more ignorant generation. It's just a suspicion though, because as you say surely nobody would spite themselves in the name of bigotry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stanley30 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Roger palmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagger Lee Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Roger palmer That would be more of a Toke gesture than a Token gesture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Three black managers now. 3.3% of football league clubs. Black or Black British population of Britain 3.5%. That's as near to a correct representation as you could get. Now female or gay managers. Well, that is another thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Three black managers now. 3.3% of football league clubs. Black or Black British population of Britain 3.5%. That's as near to a correct representation as you could get. Now female or gay managers. Well, that is another thing. Spot on and that's what people have to be aware of. Getting a bit fed up with all this race issue right across the board. It's the old saying for me if you are good enough you will make it despite your colour or creed. Sometimes it gets rammed down your throat so much it actually makes some people racist !!!! Everything in proportion is better equality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Three black managers now. 3.3% of football league clubs. Black or Black British population of Britain 3.5%. That's as near to a correct representation as you could get. Now female or gay managers. Well, that is another thing. I'd imagine the most 'correct' representation would be the same as the percentage of players who are black. I think that is the argument that is advanced anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Sometimes it gets rammed down your throat so much it actually makes some people racist !!!! I disagree with a lot of what is said on the topic but that is utter drivel on two counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I disagree with a lot of what is said on the topic but that is utter drivel on two counts. It's not this topic so much as life in general. "can't get a job cos i'm black" attitude. Some people play the black / race card when it suits them !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'd imagine the most 'correct' representation would be the same as the percentage of players who are black. I think that is the argument that is advanced anyway. What about the amount of black people with UEFA Qualifications? I would imagine it is much less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'd imagine the most 'correct' representation would be the same as the percentage of players who are black. I think that is the argument that is advanced anyway. Do we break it down to defenders, midfielders, forwards and goalkeepers next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The bottom line is that the likes of John Barnes saying "Can't get a job cos i'm black" is poppy cock.He ain't good enough - he had a chance in management and did very little . There are scores of better managers than him without a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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