MAC0AFC Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) What worries me is we cut our losses with him... then we get what? another rookie manager, what tells you that he's going to change his recruitment policy of the cheapest offer.... Redfearn and Sheridan? Not a chance. Dunn or Dean Holden... more likely. Edited September 6, 2015 by MAC0AFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 There's rookies then there's rookies like Kelly with no experience or pedigree. Dowie had money and contacts Ritchie had an experienced assistant Shez knew the club inside out and inherited a good pool of players Dickov was a name and had contacts LJ was well qualified but had a career plan Kelly has fast racked through his badges but in terms of coaching experience or playing pedigree he had very little and I'd think his pool of contacts is particularly week. Binning the experienced coach was a massive mistake, perhaps he wanted to attack and this didn't fit in with his and DH philosophy of safety first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Next week's opponents have just sacked their gaffer. He was the guest on the football league show last night and said they were going to come here and give it a right good go next week Edited September 6, 2015 by Gaz_Oafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As Prozac mentions in an earlier post, our current management team has stats of only 3 wins in 25 games whilst scoring 19 goals ! To all of the "give him a fair crack of the whip" brigade, these figures, although not solely down to Darren Kelly, are for want of a better description totally sheite. Another 25 games with the Kelly/Holden combo and their negative brand of football would see us in the relegation places. That cannot be allowed to happen, i don't ask for their heads on spikes but i would like Corney to make them aware of the need to start scoring at a greater rate and collecting 3 points from a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 There's rookies then there's rookies like Kelly with no experience or pedigree. Dowie had money and contacts Ritchie had an experienced assistant Shez knew the club inside out and inherited a good pool of players Dickov was a name and had contacts LJ was well qualified but had a career plan Kelly has fast racked through his badges but in terms of coaching experience or playing pedigree he had very little and I'd think his pool of contacts is particularly week. Binning the experienced coach was a massive mistake, perhaps he wanted to attack and this didn't fit in with his and DH philosophy of safety first. I've reached my quota of up votes apparently, but this would've had one. Spot on IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Let's conflate statistics and come up with a meaningless figure! Kelly has had 6 league games. 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) And let's throw conjecture into it as well . Experienced coach binned because he wanted to play more attacking football . Maybe - but it's just another piece of unsubstantiated theory at present Edited September 6, 2015 by LaticsPete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I meant the phone-in on the radio. At the match yesterday, at least Barry went and faced the criticism like somebody who may be accountable to fans. Corney is conspicuous in his absence, and the club doesn't feel right at the moment. Being photographed sticking his finger is someone's face suggests he wasn't doing it for the sake of the fans. Barry actually #PHONENUMBER'ed me yesterday - gave his number to someone to pass on to me so I could phone him to explain how I know things about the club! #ololololol #ANYWHEREEXCEPTTHECHAMPIONSHIPIN10MINUTES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 The poll's a difficult one. On the one hand, I thought he was a very poor appointment right from the off. Nothing has convinced me otherwise since. But, at the same time, I think managers should be given a fair crack of the whip and you can't really argue that he's had that. I don't blame Kelly really; he optimistically chucked an application in and was handed a job I believe he completely out of his depth with. It's the club's fault for putting him there in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As Prozac mentions in an earlier post, our current management team has stats of only 3 wins in 25 games whilst scoring 19 goals ! That's not true though is it? A true stat is its been 6 league games, 1 defeat and only 5 goals conceded. Stats don't tell the full story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinevillawill Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 It's too early to sack Kelly. We have to stick to facts and - unfortunately for some - we've only lost 1 league game out of 6. Nobody truly gives a toss about the JPT and we've not won a LC game for a long, long time. Those defeats are irrelevant. It's only fair to give Kelly (who is a rookie, don't forget) time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blu-Blood Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 It's all well and good only losing 1 game in every 6, but if 4 of the other games are draws and only 1 win every 6 then that will see us very very close to being relegated. Then we'd just have to hope and pray that there are 4 teams worse than us. The mentality of the club, from top to bottom has to change from purely surviving in this :censored: league to actually trying to achieve something much more positive. With the current management team, owner, directors etc, I just can't see this happening at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 That's not true though is it? A true stat is its been 6 league games, 1 defeat and only 5 goals conceded. Stats don't tell the full story. Correct, that is why i said it is not solely down to Kelly but a combination of him and Holden. Without checking the figures for myself ( Prozac is usually pretty reliable with this kind of stuff) i would say that the stats look pretty convincing. Would you rather look at a projected 54 points total for the season based on the first 6 games ? Or 38 goals score and 38 conceded. Should be enough to avoid relegation i suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Correct, that is why i said it is not solely down to Kelly but a combination of him and Holden. Without checking the figures for myself ( Prozac is usually pretty reliable with this kind of stuff) i would say that the stats look pretty convincing. Would you rather look at a projected 54 points total for the season based on the first 6 games ? Or 38 goals score and 38 conceded. Should be enough to avoid relegation i suppose. My point was that you can make stats fit any agenda. It's not fair to tar Kelly with last season's brush. It has absolutely nothing to do with him. If Paul Scholes was the manager and we had exactly the same record, teams, tactics etc then there would definitely not be a 10 page thread about getting rid of him after 6 games. That's why for me, as I've said before, we may as well let him go. 6 games in, 1 defeat, and a clamour for his sacking. It's basically promotion this season for him or bust as far as a lot of fans are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I haven't said i want him to go NZ, i want him to throw his philosophy in to the waste paper bin and start again with a bit more of an ambitious playing intent. What the hell these coaching qualifications entail i do not know but it is time for Darren to leave that behind and become a football manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 There's rookies then there's rookies like Kelly with no experience or pedigree. Dowie had money and contacts Ritchie had an experienced assistant Shez knew the club inside out and inherited a good pool of players Dickov was a name and had contacts LJ was well qualified but had a career plan Kelly has fast racked through his badges but in terms of coaching experience or playing pedigree he had very little and I'd think his pool of contacts is particularly week. Binning the experienced coach was a massive mistake, perhaps he wanted to attack and this didn't fit in with his and DH philosophy of safety first. I agree with this although we can only really speculate why Harvey left. I get the impression this job has come to Kelly one step too early if he had had experience as a coach in a first team setup seeing a manager deal with all the issues a manager deals with. I think Kelly is still learning to become a coach therefore I don't feel he's ready to become a manager yet. I hope he proves me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 His transfer dealings have been quite good, the problem is for some reason he hasn't stuck to his philisophy of expansive attacking football at home. If the team shape and tactics are the same for next match against a low in confidence Peterborough I will be concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Redfearn was taking notes on Saturday, as he has been doing the last few home games. A bit much for just scouting....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ33 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Redfearn was taking notes on Saturday, as he has been doing the last few home games. A bit much for just scouting....? Redferns record as a manager is dreadful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Redferns record as a manager is dreadful It's better than Darren Kelly's. He did exceptionally in his last spell at Leeds, given the way he was being treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 The management team needs to go but there needs to be changes at the top too Phil the club needs a winning mentality not pathetic exceuse after pathetic excuse. Completely agree with this Paul, for me the board must take the majority of the blame. I dont rate kelly but he should never have been given the job in the first place. However i made the poll purely about kelly as to stay on topic. The discussion about the board could start a whole new 10 page thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I think what pisses people of the most is the time the club took to appoint a new manager and during that time saying it was the highest calibre of manager who was applying for the job.Kelly was f@cked before he even started and as been mentioned by another poster watching both benches yesterday made my mind up about Kelly and Holdens partnership reminded me of Talbot and Shez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Redferns record as a manager is dreadful Vaguely intriguingly a small element of Redfearn's managerial career was a stint as caretaker (and then assistant) at York while Kelly was a player there back in 2008 Edited September 6, 2015 by Dave_Og Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcforever Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 If the very strong rumours were true he lied on his CV about his qualifications, he lied to the board and more importantly the fans with his promise of attacking football. This is the best group of players we've had in a long time, failure due to the management teams incompetence is not an option. It's not one defeat in 6 as it's being put, it's one win in 8 games league and cup and we've not played any of the fancied teams yet in the league. Think it will be all over within the next few weeks and the board will have to hold their hands up and apologise to the fans and admit they got it badly wrong!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 If the very strong rumours were true he lied on his CV about his qualifications, he lied to the board and more importantly the fans with his promise of attacking football. This is the best group of players we've had in a long time, failure due to the management teams incompetence is not an option. It's not one defeat in 6 as it's being put, it's one win in 8 games league and cup and we've not played any of the fancied teams yet in the league. Think it will be all over within the next few weeks and the board will have to hold their hands up and apologise to the fans and admit they got it badly wrong!! What is this "very strong rumour" that he "lied on his CV" ? Strong inasmuch it is based on what? What evidence is there that it's true? You've flagged it, so back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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