simplythemostimportantkick Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, singe said: I refer you to my earlier response. I'm not confident, I'm fearful of it. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, singe said: Explain to me, what don't I get. It is very clear what I am saying. Just because the owner has acted a certain way doesn’t give a free pass for the FLG and those associated to act the same way... which, whatever you want to see, they have and are. They have has the opportunity to be transparent, professional and inclusive. They have been none of those so far. They are behaving in exactly the same way as what you are accusing the owner of. It’s mostly cloak and dagger and it’s mostly provocative. Nobody actively defends the owner for his behaviour, he rightly gets criticism for it. The FLG, on the other hand, get a free pass, which was understandable at first. If anyone tries to ask questions them or even just mentions the lack of information they get shut down... “thanks Barry” “is that you Barry”, or they point to the owners behaviour, ‘whataboutery’ It’s been a while now and they need to improve their communication and behaviour dramatically and rapidly in my opinion. This will surely score them points with the fans. The longer the current approach continues the less support they will have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, kowenicki said: It is very clear what I am saying. Just because the owner has acted a certain way doesn’t give a free pass for the FLG and those associated to act the same way... which, whatever you want to see, they have and are. They have has the opportunity to be transparent, professional and inclusive. They have been none of those so far. They are behaving in exactly the same way as what you are accusing the owner of. It’s mostly cloak and dagger and it’s mostly provocative. Nobody actively defends the owner for his behaviour, he rightly gets criticism for it. The FLG, on the other hand, get a free pass, which was understandable at first. If anyone tries to ask questions them or even just mentions the lack of information they get shut down... “thanks Barry” “is that you Barry”, or they point to the owners behaviour, ‘whataboutery’ It’s been a while now and they need to improve their communication and behaviour dramatically and rapidly in my opinion. This will surely score them points with the fans. The longer the current approach continues the less support they will have. The FLG don't own anything yet. Their crimes in your eyes appear to be not fully disclosing every member involved, their full financial situation and their full intentions. And you're saying that is equivalent to AL and his team who have steered our club to the bottom end of the football league and have consistently treated fans, players and staff like shit. Utterly, utterly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Sorry I missed another one off the FLG charge sheet - maybe being a little bit unprofessional on social media. That's probably comparable with the treatment of Peter Clarke. Or maybe the disastrous recruitment of this summer. Definitely the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, nzlatic said: The FLG don't own anything yet. Their crimes in your eyes appear to be not fully disclosing every member involved, their full financial situation and their full intentions. And you're saying that is equivalent to AL and his team who have steered our club to the bottom end of the football league and have consistently treated fans, players and staff like shit. Utterly, utterly bizarre. I am saying their approach is similar, not the implications of their actions. The FLG have the opportunity to be better... you don’t agree? Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Sorry I missed another one off the FLG charge sheet - maybe being a little bit unprofessional on social media. That's probably comparable with the treatment of Peter Clarke. Or maybe the disastrous recruitment of this summer. Definitely the same. In your two posts, and plenty previously, you have done exactly what I described. “FLG can start off shit.... because AL is shit” Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, kowenicki said: It is very clear what I am saying. Just because the owner has acted a certain way doesn’t give a free pass for the FLG and those associated to act the same way... which, whatever you want to see, they have and are. They have has the opportunity to be transparent, professional and inclusive. They have been none of those so far. They are behaving in exactly the same way as what you are accusing the owner of. It’s mostly cloak and dagger and it’s mostly provocative. Nobody actively defends the owner for his behaviour, he rightly gets criticism for it. The FLG, on the other hand, get a free pass, which was understandable at first. If anyone tries to ask questions them or even just mentions the lack of information they get shut down... “thanks Barry” “is that you Barry”, or they point to the owners behaviour, ‘whataboutery’ It’s been a while now and they need to improve their communication and behaviour dramatically and rapidly in my opinion. This will surely score them points with the fans. The longer the current approach continues the less support they will have. I’d leave it Kow. People are to entrenched in their view. Their ability to look at things in a balanced and fair way is completely beyond them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, kowenicki said: In your two posts, and plenty previously, you have done exactly what I described. “FLG can start off shit.... because AL is shit” Thank you. Incredible opinion you have of yourself. On disclosure - I personally don’t care that they haven’t fully revealed themselves (other than that massive open invite presentation they did). When they are further along with buying something I’ll be more interested. On social media professionalism - yes it could be a bit better. But it’s hardly a red flag as to how they might go about running the OEC and north stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, League one forever said: I’d leave it Kow. People are to entrenched in their view. Their ability to look at things in a balanced and fair way is completely beyond them. I’m all for fairness and balance. As AL and team get a lot of criticism for what has happened over the last 18 months, are you able to provide some successes of their tenure to balance that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 hours ago, kowenicki said: Like I said, you just don’t get it. You haven’t got a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, sjk2008 said: You haven’t got a clue. I haven’t got a clue because I want FLG to be more professional and transparent. ok then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 All this shit is not helping anybody I wish Flg show their hand soon. I’m probably at my lowest as A latics fan after today’s mauling at Mansfield I hope the Flg. Have lots of money behind them. ive had enough of the current circus. BO and ML are a complete embarrassment to the club. And annoy the shit out of me please Flg don’t be a false dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, nzlatic said: I’m all for fairness and balance. As AL and team get a lot of criticism for what has happened over the last 18 months, are you able to provide some successes of their tenure to balance that out? Your making my point for me. Again. You have chosen to take a conversation about the FLG and ask me a smart arse question implying I’m defending AL. Which is a shame, but entirely predictable. Kow doesn’t need me to speak for him, but what he asking for is completely reasonable. However we’re not allowed to talk about the FLG without being accused of somehow defending the owner. People’s thirst to conflate the issue is frankly laughable. They. Are. Two. Separate. Issues. The FLG stated ‘we only want 4% more’ it has since been proven the terms are vastly different than last season. But we’re not allowed to suggest the FLG could be at fault, because they are knights in shining armour, and wouldn’t dream of fucking AL over. No chance. . . They deserve a level of scruinty when they run one of our stands, can’t agree on a deal with the owner, are buying up shares, and have made noises to want to buy the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, nzlatic said: I personally don’t care that they haven’t fully revealed themselves (other than that massive open invite presentation they did). When they are further along with buying something I’ll be more interested. They didn't fully reveal themselves. Half we don't know who they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, League one forever said: Your making my point for me. Again. You have chosen to take a conversation about the FLG and ask me a smart arse question implying I’m defending AL. Which is a shame, but entirely predictable. Kow doesn’t need me to speak for him, but what he asking for is completely reasonable. However we’re not allowed to talk about the FLG without being accused of somehow defending the owner. People’s thirst to conflate the issue is frankly laughable. They. Are. Two. Separate. Issues. The FLG stated ‘we only want 4% more’ it has since been proven the terms are vastly different than last season. But we’re not allowed to suggest the FLG could be at fault, because they are knights in shining armour, and wouldn’t dream of fucking AL over. No chance. . . They deserve a level of scruinty when they run one of our stands, can’t agree on a deal with the owner, are buying up shares, and have made noises to want to buy the ground. To ask for full transparency from the FLG then say they’re getting a free pass from others when not providing it, suggests that most people’s complaints about AL is a lack of transparency. Which isn’t the case. AL and his team are getting a hammering for their actions of the last 18 months or so and the clear and obvious results of those actions. And lack of transparency is quite low down the list for most I would guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 FLG have bought zero to date and no one knows who they are (apart from Paul, simon & simon) or what their true intentions are. What's in the deal mix up etc. So given that, how can anyone with certainty back it whole heartedly ? other than blind faith. Time they showed their hand in return for support. What's that got to do with Al and the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Lags said: FLG have bought zero to date and no one knows who they are (apart from Paul, simon & simon) or what their true intentions are. What's in the deal mix up etc. So given that, how can anyone with certainty back it whole heartedly ? other than blind faith. Time they showed their hand in return for support. What's that got to do with Al and the club? Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 17 hours ago, Lags said: FLG have bought zero to date and no one knows who they are (apart from Paul, simon & simon) or what their true intentions are. What's in the deal mix up etc. So given that, how can anyone with certainty back it whole heartedly ? other than blind faith. Time they showed their hand in return for support. What's that got to do with Al and the club? Because AL is running the club so so badly its an appalling state of affairs. As a result people are looking for an alternative to pin there hopes on. We don't know everything about them but if it was a choice now between a group of 3 well known fans and an anonymous group behind them and the current utter shitshow that is our football clubs current hierarchy then I'd rather role the dice and hope that the annoymous people in the FLG have the money and the brains to just make us even look like a normal football club right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: It is very clear what I am saying. Just because the owner has acted a certain way doesn’t give a free pass for the FLG and those associated to act the same way... which, whatever you want to see, they have and are. They have has the opportunity to be transparent, professional and inclusive. They have been none of those so far. They are behaving in exactly the same way as what you are accusing the owner of. It’s mostly cloak and dagger and it’s mostly provocative. Nobody actively defends the owner for his behaviour, he rightly gets criticism for it. The FLG, on the other hand, get a free pass, which was understandable at first. If anyone tries to ask questions them or even just mentions the lack of information they get shut down... “thanks Barry” “is that you Barry”, or they point to the owners behaviour, ‘whataboutery’ It’s been a while now and they need to improve their communication and behaviour dramatically and rapidly in my opinion. This will surely score them points with the fans. The longer the current approach continues the less support they will have. I think others have said similar to what I would say. I don't think I have given them a free pass, in fact I found a message yesterday I sent to Paul when the North stand was being built saying don;t respond every criticism but they are not in the same position as the owner. When they are they will be subject to the same expectations. The woner, a man renowned for spitting his dummy out has refused to meet them since May. But yes I want them to be more transparent, but this is again deflecting from the fact it was the FLG that revealed the reasons for arbitrarily decided to chuck the toys out of the pram, not the owner. Adn lets not forget the Director told everyone that the club owned 97% it was the FLG that revelaed it might not be the case. not only that, but gung ho attack too. I think there is a lot of defence of the owner, when any criticism occurs, up pops a defence. I see people saying he deserves criticism whilst not actually criticising themselves. Some of the defence is sycophantic, we are 89th in the Football League and some are in denial of that. I'l bow to the master in whataboutism's, I'm an amateur compared to you. Its not been a while, it's been 2 years 2 months, and he was around before that. Lots of the same old same old But I agree they need to improve. Thursday was a golden chance, but it's a golden chance to review that car crash of a fans forum, get some professional advice on engagement and communication, and work with other parties. I think the odds of that happening are slim though, these leopards are not for changing their spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 58 minutes ago, League one forever said: The FLG stated ‘we only want 4% more’ it has since been proven the terms are vastly different than last season. But we’re not allowed to suggest the FLG could be at fault, because they are knights in shining armour, and wouldn’t dream of fucking AL over. No chance. . . It simply hasn't. A Board member has seen both, and says it has ambiguity and has called for both to be published. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, singe said: I think others have said similar to what I would say. I don't think I have given them a free pass, in fact I found a message yesterday I sent to Paul when the North stand was being built saying don;t respond every criticism but they are not in the same position as the owner. When they are they will be subject to the same expectations. The woner, a man renowned for spitting his dummy out has refused to meet them since May. But yes I want them to be more transparent, but this is again deflecting from the fact it was the FLG that revealed the reasons for arbitrarily decided to chuck the toys out of the pram, not the owner. Adn lets not forget the Director told everyone that the club owned 97% it was the FLG that revelaed it might not be the case. not only that, but gung ho attack too. I think there is a lot of defence of the owner, when any criticism occurs, up pops a defence. I see people saying he deserves criticism whilst not actually criticising themselves. Some of the defence is sycophantic, we are 89th in the Football League and some are in denial of that. I'l bow to the master in whataboutism's, I'm an amateur compared to you. Its not been a while, it's been 2 years 2 months, and he was around before that. Lots of the same old same old But I agree they need to improve. Thursday was a golden chance, but it's a golden chance to review that car crash of a fans forum, get some professional advice on engagement and communication, and work with other parties. I think the odds of that happening are slim though, these leopards are not for changing their spots. Nobody on this forum is sycophantic in their support of the owner. That’s just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Nobody on this forum is sycophantic in their support of the owner. That’s just not true. "Some of the defence is sycophantic," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, singe said: It simply hasn't. A Board member has seen both, and says it has ambiguity and has called for both to be published. Why not? He said there are “several differences“ and “some ambiguity” FLG said it “had the same terms as 2018/19 season”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, singe said: It simply hasn't. A Board member has seen both, and says it has ambiguity and has called for both to be published. Why not? It simply has. Hence they can’t agree, and FLG lied when they said the only difference is a small percentage rise. It hasn’t been published because yet again it’s non of your business. We only know because the club brought the document ‘to the car crash forum’ and told us. . but let’s pretend that didn’t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD's Orange Heels Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, League one forever said: It simply has. Hence they can’t agree, and FLG lied when they said the only difference is a small percentage rise. It hasn’t been published because yet again it’s non of your business. We only know because the club brought the document ‘to the car crash forum’ and told us. . but let’s pretend that didn’t happen. I think it’s been proved beyond any doubt on Thursday that the current board are particularly bad at reading / understanding pretty much any legal document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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