BP1960 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, LaticsPete said: When? Is there any evidence whatsoever that a team has deliberately done what you said? I saw Darlington top of Division 2 at the time knocked out of the FA Cup by Northern Premier League Droylsden and they definitely didn't show a cup fighting spirit. One former Latics legend told me he didn't care for playing in cups but winning the league meant everything. Ask Wrexham fans what they would prefer, a good cup run or promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, BP1960 said: I saw Darlington top of Division 2 at the time knocked out of the FA Cup by Northern Premier League Droylsden and they definitely didn't show a cup fighting spirit. One former Latics legend told me he didn't care for playing in cups but winning the league meant everything. Ask Wrexham fans what they would prefer, a good cup run or promotion. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: That's a player problem though, not a system problem. Granted there's an overarching question around whether you should fit the system to the players or vice versa. He’s got the players he’s got, and he’s not getting the best out of them in that system, not at all. 19 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: I think that Unsworth will get more time than six games tbh. Francis-Angol can play as a wingback and I would expect him to start on Saturday. Angol looked a bit more of a threat when he came on going forward (emphasis on a bit) but it doesn’t solve the Clarke issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Just listened to his post match interview. Commented we need 3 to 4 players but sounds like we are struggling to get any quality in. Said Couto played well… At least we both agreed the Fondop celebration was odd haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, LightDN123 said: I think there’s a lot wrong with the system. I have no idea how they are justifying playing wings backs. We literally do not attack down the wings at all. It makes us so narrow and predictable. None of the wing backs are comfortable going forward, this means they just lump it or pass it back to the centre back. It’s wrong and a horrible system. Has anyone ever seen Clarke get the ball and drive forward ? No. Couto was beyond terrible yesterday, but he was put in that position by Unsworth. He didn’t even bother to change the system. Not his players or not, the last 6 games have been nothing but poor. Yesterdays win was a nice occasion, but we are a terrible side and I have serious concerns for Unsworth. Fondop saved him yesterday. Great post, I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, TheBigDog said: I think that Unsworth will get more time than six games tbh. Francis-Angol can play as a wingback and I would expect him to start on Saturday. He was atrocious when he came on, looks horrendously unfit and/or not sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, LightDN123 said: He’s got the players he’s got, and he’s not getting the best out of them in that system, not at all. Angol looked a bit more of a threat when he came on going forward (emphasis on a bit) but it doesn’t solve the Clarke issue. He’s not getting the best out of them but he can’t really play any other formation. You might say he should play Sheron in centre mid but he wants him at the back so that we have at least some semblance of composure. We’re crying out for two Liam Kelly/Korey Smith type centre midfielders. Those that can get up and down, stuck in and also play the ball. You wouldn’t need 3 centre halves then who are in to help when the opposition walk through the midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Could one of the reason for playing a back 3 with wing backs be that we don't have the wide midfielders capable of covering full backs well enough? So if we played 4 at the back then Clarke and Couto could potentially have been left isolated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlion Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Irwin, Barlow, Adams and Holden anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 35 minutes ago, b0ndl1ne said: He’s not getting the best out of them but he can’t really play any other formation. You might say he should play Sheron in centre mid but he wants him at the back so that we have at least some semblance of composure. We’re crying out for two Liam Kelly/Korey Smith type centre midfielders. Those that can get up and down, stuck in and also play the ball. You wouldn’t need 3 centre halves then who are in to help when the opposition walk through the midfield He could drop a midfielder and play Luamba up top.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 l genuinely think the 532 is down to available players. well, l hope so anyway. at least its not 343. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, JoeP said: He could drop a midfielder and play Luamba up top.. Luamba wants dropping off at the job centre... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Luamba wants dropping off at the job centre... Lololololz.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Could one of the reason for playing a back 3 with wing backs be that we don't have the wide midfielders capable of covering full backs well enough? So if we played 4 at the back then Clarke and Couto could potentially have been left isolated? The idea with playing a back 3 is that the wing backs get forward supplementing the attack whilst able to assist with defensive duties. Ours do neither. 4-4-2 would seem more suitable for our playing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeP said: He could drop a midfielder and play Luamba up top.. Please no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 40 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: The idea with playing a back 3 is that the wing backs get forward supplementing the attack whilst able to assist with defensive duties. Ours do neither. 4-4-2 would seem more suitable for our playing staff. Who would you have played in a 442 last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 9 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said: So do I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Bobledgersheart said: The idea with playing a back 3 is that the wing backs get forward supplementing the attack whilst able to assist with defensive duties. Ours do neither. 4-4-2 would seem more suitable for our playing staff. Absolutely, the full backs end up being shit at both. For that system to work, the wing backs have to be of a certain quality, ours really are not, they need protection from someone in front of them in defence, and need options going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, nzlatic said: Who would you have played in a 442 last night? Norman Clarke Okagbue Maynard Couto Vaughan Gardner Sheron Rooney Fondop Tollitt Maybe a bit top heavy going forward but the alternative's not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: Norman Clarke Okagbue Maynard Couto Vaughan Gardner Sheron Rooney Fondop Tollitt Maybe a bit top heavy going forward but the alternative's not working. Looks ok on paper. On the pitch, though. Who knows? I'm nowhere near a tactician but I just wish he would give it a go from kick-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Worrying that Unsworth sees a player in Couto, this 5-4-1 is dogshit, boring and more than anything not working, round pegs square holes springs to mind. One more thing why does Maynard stroll round imagining himself as prime Baresi?. Since Unsworth come in I'd be keeping one player for next season based on performances and that would be Fondop, rest of them will be playing in the Evo stick if they continue the way they are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, yarddog73 said: Worrying that Unsworth sees a player in Couto, this 5-4-1 is dogshit, boring and more than anything not working, round pegs square holes springs to mind. One more thing why does Maynard stroll round imagining himself as prime Baresi?. Since Unsworth come in I'd be keeping one player for next season based on performances and that would be Fondop, rest of them will be playing in the Evo stick if they continue the way they are going. Couto did well especially first half, composed on the ball and tried to get some passing going. Theres a player there but a lot to learn. He never shouted once for the ball when in acres of space second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, b0ndl1ne said: Couto did well especially first half, composed on the ball and tried to get some passing going. Theres a player there but a lot to learn. He never shouted once for the ball when in acres of space second half. Who sent the ball over for Fondop's headed goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Just now, BP1960 said: Who sent the ball over for Fondop's headed goal? Sheron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Worrying that Unsworth sees a player in Couto, this 5-4-1 is dogshit, boring and more than anything not working, round pegs square holes springs to mind. One more thing why does Maynard stroll round imagining himself as prime Baresi?. Since Unsworth come in I'd be keeping one player for next season based on performances and that would be Fondop, rest of them will be playing in the Evo stick if they continue the way they are going. 5-4-1 is absolute dog shit. I hate it. Couto is still young. He has a nice left foot. I'd stick with him for now, but he can't defend. Fondop has found his level - Chester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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