League one forever Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 ST says he wants 4 new players, and you have to agree with him. I don’t think the squad is good enough as a whole, which given the money spent is quite scary and a poor reflection on the recruitment. So what does the new manager need to get us where we want to be? Hudson/Norman - ok. Freeman Raglan Hobson Kitch That back four is good enough for promotion- surely? Sutton and Hogan to cover. So we need cover at right back and left back. Green - good on his day- but not consistent enough. Lundy too early to tell, still isn’t fit. Sheron- steady- but passing isn’t good enough. Dicky- has his moments- but drifts out of the game. Ward - No one knows yet. Shelton- nope. Tolitt- nope. We need an upgrade on Sheron and someone to push Green and Dicky and get them out of the comfort zone. Nowhere near good enough for promotion in this area. Up front. Nors Reid Nuttall Kurt Mikey. Surely there’s enough goals there? In summary, we have recruited heavily in repeated potions- centre half and Strikers. But we’re light at fullback, and really struggling for consistency across the whole of midfield. We’re not getting promoted with the lob sided nature to our squad.
daniel Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 Centre midfielder Right back Wide players In that order of importance
League one forever Posted October 7, 2023 Author Posted October 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, daniel said: Centre midfielder Right back Wide players In that order of importance Yep. Are those additions the difference between where we are and where we want to be though?
Guy Branston Pickle Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 That midfield needs sorting out or we aren't getting close to promotion. Lundstram looks good but Gardner is made of biscuits and the other two unfortunately are nowhere the standard required Also a right back and probably another winger
yarddog73 Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 Goalkeeper, both are adequate for this level. Personally I still prefer Norman. Rightback is a weakness but I don't think it's our biggest problem as we are setting up but I much prefer a wing back and we need to bring one in. Centre backs would be Hobson central, Hogan left and Raglan right. Sutton, McGahey and Sheron would provide adequate cover. Left wing back would be Kitching with Dickinson the natural cover but he needs to lose some bulk and become more mobile. Midfield needs an overhaul, Green and Dickinson are squad players for me, only really Lundstrum seems to be comfortable with the ball at his feet as well as having the legs to get up and down the pitch. Sheron I see as a utility player but he could play in a central three with 2 ball players like Gardner and Lundstrum. Any two from five upfront although I have a preference for one of either Nuttall, Fondop or Norwood with either Reid or Willoughby. None of these five can do a job in midfield which is how they are being used at times. For me the RWB, two quality wide men and at least one maybe two ball playing midfielders. Shocking situation really given the players we have and with the restriction of 5 players on the bench in this division.
Sloshed Joe Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 No-one ever seems to mention Hope any more. Tons of league experience at a higher level. Looked effective last season b4 the Chesterfield incident. Can play wing or front three. Works hard, can hold it, can finish. Attitude is apparently good. Looked back to sharpness in recent cameos. Was sub a couple of times but now omitted again. I think he should be an option.
Flemboy Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Sloshed Joe said: No-one ever seems to mention Hope any more. Tons of league experience at a higher level. Looked effective last season b4 the Chesterfield incident. Can play wing or front three. Works hard, can hold it, can finish. Attitude is apparently good. Looked back to sharpness in recent cameos. Was sub a couple of times but now omitted again. I think he should be an option. Apart from someone like Vincent today and a right fullback with pace I think we are OK.A new manager should be able to improve the rest.
sjk2008 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 GK: whilst neither are particularly great, they’re good enough for this level and not worth spending any of the budget here. 3-5-2 for me every day of the week. Hobson, Hogan & Raglan as CB Sutton & Sheron can fill in when one or two out out. Is Freeman alive? If so, him at RWB but I don’t think he’s a long term option and I’ve seen dozens of decent forward thinking right backs in this league in the last 18 months that this shouldn’t be difficult to rectify. Kitching is better as a LWB than a LB. Dickenson at a push as cover. Midfield - out obvious issue. Gardner is decent but made of biscuits, Lundstram clearly has ability but I feel is still bedding in. I don’t care that Sheron won players player last year, if we have promotion ambitions, we need an upgrade. Most teams I’ve seen in this league, even the tinpot ones, have someone in midfield who can dictate the game. We don’t have that and we badly need it. Dickenson needs to shift a few lbs but clearly has ability. He could easily play as a #10 but still think we could do with a proper one. Wingers: Green is an impact player at best - come at me. We need a proper RW. No issues up front. So in short, we need a manager, a RWB, CM, #10, RW.
Dave_Og Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 And where are these four players who must be close to guaranteed immediate starters coming from at this time of year? Probably not from EFL. Probably not loans. So from our level and below. Seems pretty unrealistic to me.
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 Centre midfielder to replace Gardner who can only be trusted from the bench. One has to be excellent on the ball and can tackle / high press. Central-defensive midfielder. Like Sheron but one who doesn't amble around marking space and doesn't think sitting two yards in front of a solid back line is an adequate position when we don't have the ball. A carbon copy of Mark Kitching in at right back. I think, once we have these in, the 'luxury' players like Dickenson and Green will show the real value we have. We'll also dominate games when we go 1-0 up and convert them into fairly routine 4-0 routs.
League one forever Posted October 8, 2023 Author Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Dave_Og said: And where are these four players who must be close to guaranteed immediate starters coming from at this time of year? Probably not from EFL. Probably not loans. So from our level and below. Seems pretty unrealistic to me. Yeah, fair shout.
mcfluff1985 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 RB and CM for me. We never have issues down the left because Kitch is there. He can defend and go forward. Sutton struggles with both. He wins headers but he's too slow on the turn. CM get another Lundstram and play 451 woth Sheron just behind doing the hard graft. Allow us to dominate midfield. We just need to be more potent going forwards. CB we have are fine. Hobson is a brilliant signing and Higan for some reason gets a bit of stick but he'll put his body on the line and does a good job.
Bobledgersheart Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: RB and CM for me. We never have issues down the left because Kitch is there. He can defend and go forward. Sutton struggles with both. He wins headers but he's too slow on the turn. CM get another Lundstram and play 451 woth Sheron just behind doing the hard graft. Allow us to dominate midfield. We just need to be more potent going forwards. CB we have are fine. Hobson is a brilliant signing and Higan for some reason gets a bit of stick but he'll put his body on the line and does a good job. Thought Kitching was all over the place defensively yesterday probably because he was playing too far forward. If we got a decent right wing back in and a midfielder who holds the ball a bit better we could play 3-5-2 and it would transform our season.
maximus1267 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 Biggest problem is midfield, need two quality central midfielders because I believe the preferred formation will be 352, lundstram and two others. Also need a RB/RWB. Also cover for Kitching. Thats 4. Dickenson, Green, Hope, Tollit all capable cover and if formation goes 442, Dickenson could play advanced midfielder for me in a 352. Fondop or Nuttall to go.
oafc1955 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Fondop or Nuttall to go. Fondop & Nuttall for me and bring a proper CF in!
yarddog73 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, maximus1267 said: Dickenson, Green, Hope, Tollit all capable cover Where as I feel this is our biggest problem, I dont like playing with out and out wide players particularly in a midfield four, Green and Dickinson can't play as wing backs so we end up carrying them at times which results in us getting overrun. We still don't have any real identity and that's the first thing the new man needs to address even if initially we don't see any progress.
JoeP Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 We need the ability to reverse the ageing process, so we can stick Redders, Nick Henry, Rick Holden and Neil Adams in midfield. You could probably play Andy Ritchie the age he is and he'd still be our best striker...
maximus1267 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 38 minutes ago, JoeP said: We need the ability to reverse the ageing process, so we can stick Redders, Nick Henry, Rick Holden and Neil Adams in midfield. You could probably play Andy Ritchie the age he is and he'd still be our best striker... This lot wouldnt have the legs but they would keep the ball longer than the current lot
maximus1267 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, oafc1955 said: Fondop & Nuttall for me and bring a proper CF in! I agree. Fondop is a menace but he is so rash and a bit of a time bomb. Nuttall a better footballer but looks lazy and lethargic, something the fans dont like to see.
maximus1267 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, yarddog73 said: Where as I feel this is our biggest problem, I dont like playing with out and out wide players particularly in a midfield four, Green and Dickinson can't play as wing backs so we end up carrying them at times which results in us getting overrun. We still don't have any real identity and that's the first thing the new man needs to address even if initially we don't see any progress. I agree neither could really play a 352. But in a 442 with ovelapping fullbacks to switch with they should be capable really.
Dave_Og Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, maximus1267 said: Biggest problem is midfield, need two quality central midfielders because I believe the preferred formation will be 352, lundstram and two others. Also need a RB/RWB. Also cover for Kitching. Thats 4. Dickenson, Green, Hope, Tollit all capable cover and if formation goes 442, Dickenson could play advanced midfielder for me in a 352. Fondop or Nuttall to go. You've identified the preferred system of a yet to be appointed manager?
JoeP Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 We actually need a striker the size of Nuttall, with the attitude and pace of Reid, who can score the spectacular like Fondop with the ability to finish like Norwood...
maximus1267 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 51 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: You've identified the preferred system of a yet to be appointed manager? It seems to be the new 442..... I may be wrong, of course.
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