ghost of Leonard Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 That wasn't good yesterday and I always try to think positively - and that's not easy right now. Let's try and get into those play offs and anything can then happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 47 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: I genuinely don't want to be the grammar pedant police, but as it's the 2nd time you've posted it... "Castigated" is the word you're looking for, because castration is a lot lot worse. I can be as much of a knob as the next person after a defeat, but I'd never castrate anyone for a different opinion. I think it’s understandable in this circumcision 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, the_mighty_bosh said: I genuinely don't want to be the grammar pedant police, but as it's the 2nd time you've posted it... "Castigated" is the word you're looking for, because castration is a lot lot worse. I can be as much of a knob as the next person after a defeat, but I'd never castrate anyone for a different opinion. Sounds like bollocks to me 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 14 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: I think it’s understandable in this circumcision Agreed particularly as he is neuter this board. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 32 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Agreed particularly as he is neuter this board. The puns are coming in spayeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 A testicle be to go up via the play offs and no mistake . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 16 hours ago, TheBigDog said: What are you going on about? If you were there today then surely you saw what I saw - namely another shocking performance where too many individuals simply do not display the most basic skills: we could not trap the ball, hold on to the ball, pass to a team mate - it was back to aimless lumping the ball forward with no skill or thought. Even average footballers should be able to do the simple things. Once again they let the fans and themselves down - and they deserved the derision they got as they walked off. I am disappointed and angry at another woeful display - this dross is being served up far too often and I am heartily sick of it. Mellon looks at a loss as to why and his post match excuses are wearing thin. You’re entitled to your view, especially after making the effort to trek out to Dagenham. We all feel let down by below par performances. I’m merely pointing out that this squad has flattered to deceive many times this season and so I find it odd when people get apoplectic with rage when another disappointing result comes along. It is what it is. Instead of hurling abuse fans need to get behind the team for what remains of the season and let’s see what happens. Let’s face it, if we are as bad as some on here claim, the fact we are 9th and in a battle for a play off spot tells you this league is rubbish. Our squad is limited in ability and fight, but instead of laying into them, get behind them. If we don’t go up, the close season will see changes and then we go again in August. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradKnowles1 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 26 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: You’re entitled to your view, especially after making the effort to trek out to Dagenham. We all feel let down by below par performances. I’m merely pointing out that this squad has flattered to deceive many times this season and so I find it odd when people get apoplectic with rage when another disappointing result comes along. It is what it is. Instead of hurling abuse fans need to get behind the team for what remains of the season and let’s see what happens. Let’s face it, if we are as bad as some on here claim, the fact we are 9th and in a battle for a play off spot tells you this league is rubbish. Our squad is limited in ability and fight, but instead of laying into them, get behind them. If we don’t go up, the close season will see changes and then we go again in August. I think booing is pointless at the moment as it seems to be every game. i thought the chant of Mellon sort it out was fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 12 minutes ago, Worcester Owl said: Let’s face it, if we are as bad as some on here claim, the fact we are 9th and in a battle for a play off spot tells you this league is rubbish. Our squad is limited in ability and fight, but instead of laying into them, get behind them. And therein lies the problem… you say that the squad has limited ability - but we saw the opposite against Chesterfield just over a week ago. Then they put in performances like yesterday and the horror show at Aldershot and it’s baffling. You also mention ‘limited fight’ and you say get behind them… which is exactly what the 480 Latics fans did at D&R. But slowly and surely the on pitch performance just drained the life and enthusiasm out of the fans - it’s hard to get behind the team of ‘limited fight’ as you put it - and when a team fails with even the footballing basics, is it any wonder that fans get frustrated and angry? It’s a two way street and the reception from the fans at full time was justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradKnowles1 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I was looking through some previous messages I had with a footballer who has played a considerable amount of games in the championship. We discussed Norwood in August he said he can’t score if nobody is feeding him. Think he’s bang on with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said: I think booing is pointless at the moment as it seems to be every game. i thought the chant of Mellon sort it out was fair. 17 minutes ago, BradKnowles1 said: I was looking through some previous messages I had with a footballer who has played a considerable amount of games in the championship. We discussed Norwood in August he said he can’t score if nobody is feeding him. Think he’s bang on with that. We have no wide players, how can Mellon change anything really. The recruitment has been a shambles and whoever heads it up needs to be looked at, whoever that is. Norwood would score 40 in that Chesterfield team. We create nothing for him ever. He had one header yesterday but the ball was still going behind him. Frustrating. Norwood is lucky if he gets a pass to feet. Edited March 24 by LightDN123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlemoor Lad Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 All Mellon needs to do Is find a way of asking Burnley to make his son who's currently out at Dundee in a nothing league, available for a loan with us. Problem sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Is the deadline this Thursday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, TheBigDog said: It’s a two way street You're right, it is a two way street. I totally get fans frustrations after so long without anything to cheer, then we get a squad that on occasion looks like leading us the right way, but then just as easily look like they've never played together before. But I also think that this relationship as it is with the fans - which seems to be we expect you to run through brick walls for us every game, but if you play like shit we'll scream abuse at you when you come over (in a game we haven't lost) - is not helpful at all. Why should they enjoy playing for Oldham or how can they truly play with freedom when they know if they have a bad game that's what they get? I actually don't know what the answer is. But we seem to be in this polarised situation where the players either get adoration or abuse depending on whether we win or not. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 45 minutes ago, Littlemoor Lad said: All Mellon needs to do Is find a way of asking Burnley to make his son who's currently out at Dundee in a nothing league, available for a loan with us. Problem sorted If the Scottish Premier is a nothing league what does it make ours…..not a prayer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 8 minutes ago, nzlatic said: You're right, it is a two way street…. But I also think that this relationship as it is with the fans - which seems to be we expect you to run through brick walls for us every game… It’s NOT about ‘running through brick walls’ fer chrissakes… it’s about doing the simple things in the pitch that they spectacularly fail to do… time and time again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 29 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Is the deadline this Thursday? Yep 4th Thursday in March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 5 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: It’s NOT about ‘running through brick walls’ fer chrissakes… it’s about doing the simple things in the pitch that they spectacularly fail to do… time and time again The running through brick walls was the least important part of what I was saying. If you ignore that and change it to "doing the simple things" then, if the fans contract with the players is that if you fail to do the simple things well enough, often enough, then we'll scream abuse at you, then we will have an ongoing problem. I'll reiterate, I'm not saying that it's the all the fans fault and they're not allowed to criticise. But at the moment I think it can occasionally be a disproportionate reaction and could be a possible contributing factor to the lack of confidence or consistency. They're playing with the knowledge that if they have a bad game then at the end they'll be made to go over to the fans where a number will scream all sorts of shit at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 40 minutes ago, nzlatic said: They're playing with the knowledge that if they have a bad game then at the end they'll be made to go over to the fans where a number will scream all sorts of shit at them. Poor lambs… so just cut out the crap play then. We’ll agree to disagree I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 12 hours ago, nzlatic said: I actually don't know what the answer is. But we seem to be in this polarised situation where the players either get adoration or abuse depending on whether we win or not. This is just not true though, only the week before we lost a 2-0 lead, got a point but could of ended up with none yet the team were applauded off like heroes, not because they'd won a point but because they'd left it all out on the pitch, performance wise you'd say they all played their part. Fast forward to the following Saturday and you couldn't single one player out who did the same, not one. Now to me there is something fundamentally wrong with a group of players that weak. I really am getting fucked off with every man and his dog blaming the fans, it's weak and divisive for a start. What happened at home to Kidderminster then when I didn't hear a boo or grown all game despite feeling embarrassed for Mr Rothwell?. Yet we didn't even get going, have a go or show an ounce of Oldham pride?. This group of players and the manager now are becoming an embarrassment, they are weak and he is weaker for allowing it, he's reaffirmed this behaviour by unconditionally selecting players who continuously let him down, I don't give a fuck if he plays a kid on the wing who fights and gives his all instead of some player who swans about going through the motion. He keeps telling us he's got a group he trusts and one that represents the people of Oldham, well that's a load of shite as well. We've had players fall off the face of the earth still being paid wages - but apparantly we are all in this together. Back end of last season Unsworth somehow got a tune out of a far inferior squad and Mellon is doing the opposite when it counts, our home record under him is a huge worry going forward and he's been unable to find any answers so far despite being able to bring six players in to the fold, only two of them started Saturday and they were arguably our worst players in Walker and Conlon. Nothing that was wrong within the squad has been addressed and we are spluttering our way through to the end of the season with a lot of these weak players already signed up for next season. It's a mess that needs sorting out, recruitment has been abysmal and I put that at Darren Royles door, there doesn't seem to be any conceivable plan other than someone at the club being pally with a number of agents which is no way to do business, whose identifying what we need because we finished with four strikers on the pitch Saturday and a midfield that couldn't pass piss, not a wide player at the club, four strikers who I'd beat over 50 yards with little pace and our standard bunch of right footed centrehalfs. It's criminal really the mess that squads in. Anyway good luck with the season ticket sales which are likely to dictate the budget but I guess that will be the fans fault again. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 9 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: This is just not true though, only the week before we lost a 2-0 lead, got a point but could of ended up with none yet the team were applauded off like heroes, not because they'd won a point but because they'd left it all out on the pitch, performance wise you'd say they all played their part. Fast forward to the following Saturday and you couldn't single one player out who did the same, not one. Now to me there is something fundamentally wrong with a group of players that weak. I really am getting fucked off with every man and his dog blaming the fans, it's weak and divisive for a start. What happened at home to Kidderminster then when I didn't hear a boo or grown all game despite feeling embarrassed for Mr Rothwell?. Yet we didn't even get going, have a go or show an ounce of Oldham pride?. This group of players and the manager now are becoming an embarrassment, they are weak and he is weaker for allowing it, he's reaffirmed this behaviour by unconditionally selecting players who continuously let him down, I don't give a fuck if he plays a kid on the wing who fights and gives his all instead of some player who swans about going through the motion. He keeps telling us he's got a group he trusts and one that represents the people of Oldham, well that's a load of shite as well. We've had players fall off the face of the earth still being paid wages - but apparantly we are all in this together. Back end of last season Unsworth somehow got a tune out of a far inferior squad and Mellon is doing the opposite when it counts, our home record under him is a huge worry going forward and he's been unable to find any answers so far despite being able to bring six players in to the fold, only two of them started Saturday and they were arguably our worst players in Walker and Conlon. Nothing that was wrong within the squad has been addressed and we are spluttering our way through to the end of the season with a lot of these weak players already signed up for next season. It's a mess that needs sorting out, recruitment has been abysmal and I put that at Darren Royles door, there doesn't seem to be any conceivable plan other than someone at the club being pally with a number of agents which is no way to do business, whose identifying what we need because we finished with four strikers on the pitch Saturday and a midfield that couldn't pass piss, not a wide player at the club, four strikers who I'd beat over 50 yards with little pace and our standard bunch of right footed centrehalfs. It's criminal really the mess that squads in. Anyway good luck with the season ticket sales which are likely to dictate the budget but I guess that will be the fans fault again. Top top post @yarddog73 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 14 hours ago, BradKnowles1 said: I was looking through some previous messages I had with a footballer who has played a considerable amount of games in the championship. We discussed Norwood in August he said he can’t score if nobody is feeding him. Think he’s bang on with that. Michael Owen's job is safe for now then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 28 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: This is just not true though, only the week before we lost a 2-0 lead, got a point but could of ended up with none yet the team were applauded off like heroes, not because they'd won a point but because they'd left it all out on the pitch, performance wise you'd say they all played their part. Fast forward to the following Saturday and you couldn't single one player out who did the same, not one. Now to me there is something fundamentally wrong with a group of players that weak. I really am getting fucked off with every man and his dog blaming the fans, it's weak and divisive for a start. What happened at home to Kidderminster then when I didn't hear a boo or grown all game despite feeling embarrassed for Mr Rothwell?. Yet we didn't even get going, have a go or show an ounce of Oldham pride?. This group of players and the manager now are becoming an embarrassment, they are weak and he is weaker for allowing it, he's reaffirmed this behaviour by unconditionally selecting players who continuously let him down, I don't give a fuck if he plays a kid on the wing who fights and gives his all instead of some player who swans about going through the motion. He keeps telling us he's got a group he trusts and one that represents the people of Oldham, well that's a load of shite as well. We've had players fall off the face of the earth still being paid wages - but apparantly we are all in this together. Back end of last season Unsworth somehow got a tune out of a far inferior squad and Mellon is doing the opposite when it counts, our home record under him is a huge worry going forward and he's been unable to find any answers so far despite being able to bring six players in to the fold, only two of them started Saturday and they were arguably our worst players in Walker and Conlon. Nothing that was wrong within the squad has been addressed and we are spluttering our way through to the end of the season with a lot of these weak players already signed up for next season. It's a mess that needs sorting out, recruitment has been abysmal and I put that at Darren Royles door, there doesn't seem to be any conceivable plan other than someone at the club being pally with a number of agents which is no way to do business, whose identifying what we need because we finished with four strikers on the pitch Saturday and a midfield that couldn't pass piss, not a wide player at the club, four strikers who I'd beat over 50 yards with little pace and our standard bunch of right footed centrehalfs. It's criminal really the mess that squads in. Anyway good luck with the season ticket sales which are likely to dictate the budget but I guess that will be the fans fault again. Good post. Without wanting to pick holes, Unsworth didn't have us playing any better than we are now. He had an unbelievable run of luck by winning games where the opposition missed chances and we won games we really should have drawn and lost. The players disappearing off the face of the earth thing is weird. It started in the Lemsegam era and bizarrely seems to have continued into Frank's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Something needs to change on the recruitment side of things. The amount of players we have and the lack of balance and quality is a huge concern. It’s been almost 2 years since Jordan Clarke left the club and we are still playing a centre back in that position, it’s embarrassing. Appreciate we have loaned a kid from Sheffield U but that’s not a solution, it doesn’t take 2 years to do that and he’s only played 5 games. We have had 9 strikers this season, including Hope, that is ridiculous. We have Green and Walker as wide players only. Yet our best player for the first 6 months last year has been loaned out in Tollitt. Played 90% of the season with wing backs, but we don’t have any wing backs at the club. We have overloaded on centre backs to the point prospects like Sutton and Hobson miss out on the match day squad for relegation specialist McGahey. Ward, Hope, Shelton are sat around doing nothing. We have no creative midfield player. We need a player who is a number 10 type but still works hard. Rather than players such as Sheron who instantly limit us in possession. This will be the tuning point when teams sit back at home. Long story short, whoever does recruitment has messed it up since Frank has come in and should step aside. Bring in a forward thinking DOF to head up the recruitment with the sole purpose of brining some balance and synergy to the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I don’t think it’s a case of ripping it all up, we have some quality players at the club for this level. The issue is all to do with the balance of the squad and some very key positions being neglected. Hudson Raglan Hobson Sutton Kitching Conlon Lundy Green Norwood Garner That’s a solid starting point, but it’s clear we need width pace and more technical quality in the middle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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