stargazer Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The lad has gone to a club on the up , no doubt for a much better package , good luck to him. But the loaning him back has so many pitfalls .......and can we stop hearing the club talking drivel about building for the future ......Baxter , Lanzoni , Tarkowski ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIZZO83 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Building for next season!! Ox - back at hull Brown - Out of contract Tarky - sold Kasunga - Out of Contract Grounds - Out of Contract Dayton - at OAFC Wesolowski - Out of contract Smith - at OAFC Mcdonald - Out of Contract (with an option) JCH - Out of Contract (with an option) Harkins - back at St Mirran Not exactly stable for next season that LJ is "working" towards!!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So many drama queens in here ffs he's good but nowhere near as good as some of the other players we have had over the years even at this level. Give me clint hill and fitz hall and gregan any day over tarky. Until we get some investment and have to finance our new stand expect this to keep happening to our best players so you should get used to it. Life goes on! I agree he is not as good as Gregan or Clint and there is nothing wrong in financing our new stand, but we are selling our best player for 150k approx. Do you not see anything wrong with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 They come. They go. Life continues. Latics survive. The fee is much more than his value a year ago. But less than his value today? I'm not unrealistic about the fact that players will go. We've been a selling club for as long as I've been supporting Latics but I think Tarky could have comfortably gone straight into a Championship side (and Brentford are not certainties for promotion yet). And if the amounts talked about are true, I think we'd have been as well holding onto him until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I agree he is not as good as Gregan or Clint and there is nothing wrong in financing our new stand, but we are selling our best player for 150k approx. Do you not see anything wrong with this? Gregan was playing in the Prem a couple of years before he came to us. Clint was far more experienced than Tarky when he came and has gone on to play in the Premiership. Tarky's a lot younger, is on the up and has a lot of potential. I reckon he'll go at lot further than some of our fans seem to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I agree he is not as good as Gregan or Clint and there is nothing wrong in financing our new stand, but we are selling our best player for 150k approx. Do you not see anything wrong with this? It's not good (if £150k is the correct figure..), but how can anyone claim to be outraged without knowing all the facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Building for next season!! Ox - back at hull Brown - Out of contract Tarky - sold Kasunga - Out of Contract Grounds - Out of Contract Dayton - at OAFC Wesolowski - Out of contract Smith - at OAFC Mcdonald - Out of Contract (with an option) JCH - Out of Contract (with an option) Harkins - back at St Mirran Not exactly stable for next season that LJ is "working" towards!!.... He's got four years to figure something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's not good (if £150k is the correct figure..), but how can anyone claim to be outraged without knowing all the facts? Don't you realise, everyone has a RIGHT TO KNOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Has he accepted that contract offer or what... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I remember when Danny Hall was Premier class and going to Everton for £1 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 At a guess I'd say that deal would be bulked out by: Fees after appearances (15, 30, 45 games etc.) Money after winning promotion - probably £150k at least. Sell on clause. Which would almost certainly take the deal above the £500k mark in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 At a guess I'd say that deal would be bulked out by: Fees after appearances (15, 30, 45 games etc.) Money after winning promotion - probably £150k at least. Sell on clause. Which would almost certainly take the deal above the £500k mark in the not too distant future. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 At a guess I'd say that deal would be bulked out by: Fees after appearances (15, 30, 45 games etc.) Money after winning promotion - probably £150k at least. Sell on clause. Which would almost certainly take the deal above the £500k mark in the not too distant future. I would suggest that the 'after promotion' bit is by no means a certainty. Also, a promotion-based milestone payment would seem a bit odd, if he's coming back on loan and won't play any part in that promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I remember when Danny Hall was Premier class and going to Everton for £1 million I must have erased that from my memory. I would never have had Hall marked down to play at a higher level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I must have erased that from my memory. I would never have had Hall marked down to play at a higher level. You don't? He was like the Kaiser that season after the summer of hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 So, let me get this right. Some folk are annoyed at the selling of Tarky for £150K even though that's a figure shown in London press and there is no proof that it is accurate Some folk are annoyed that the fee is "undisclosed", even though this is normal for the majority of transfers these days unless it's for megamillions Some folk are annoyed that he's gone to a League 1 club, even though he is most likely going to be playing in the Championship next season Some folk are annoyed that he'll be back on loan on Feb 8th Some folk are annoyed that we are not building for the future as promised One "supporter" has decided not to go any more because of the transfer fee In response to this annoyance We don't honestly know what the fee is even though Matt Chambers seems pretty confident that is way more than the £150K quoted in the London press. But that can be conveniently ignored by some when it suits As fans, we have no right to know the transfer fee any more than we have a right to know what someone, other than ourselves, is earning at their chosen job. Is there a business other than football where folk demand to know the financial goings on? I'm sure someone will tell me Why shouldn't he go to a League 1 club if that what he wants? If he didn't want to join them, he wouldn't have done and I doubt there is anything in his contract which says he can't. Very little will prevent him being in a higher division next season There is nothing unusual in this; it happens on a regular basis, particularly in the Greedy League. Why should we be any different? We did it with Wayne Harrison years ago. With Wilson coming in, we have more cover at CB with Tarky back; best of both worlds How do we know we're not building for the future? We may have just unearthed a couple of gems. Swindon fans couldn't ubderstand why they had plucked Charlie Austin from non league. Didn't work out too shabby, did it? Plus, we don't know yet who else may arive in the summer or how many contraxcts will be renewed How can you corrolate a transfer with deciding not to go any more? If you're that fickle, fine. Go and watch someone else. You'll not be missed Let's just see how things go before we make any knee jerk reactions. Unless any of us can see into the future, we have no idea what lays in front of us. You never know, we may be quietly surprised. I'm sure there are many more issues tied up in all this, but I need to get some work done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnchanJules Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think most people just want to know why if he was tied into a long term contract, we couldn't keep him at least until the end of the season and then sell him, probably for the same amount of money. Why does he have to go in this transfer window ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The lad had had his head turned and it was showing in his performances. Keeping him beyond the transfer window wouldn't have benefitted anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Cracking post Bristol, although I would like to add anything paid for from the public purse, like NHS and councils, people are routinely demanding to know what those people earn, especially in senior positions. Some are unfortunate to get their wages splashed all across the national papers too. I suppose similar reasoning applies, it's the I pay your wages, I want to know what you are getting paid mentality. Despite the fact that fans don't pay everyone's wages and a decent percentage of the money used to pay player's wages comes from other sources, like undisclosed transfer fees. Edited January 31, 2014 by rudemedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown23 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I think most people just want to know why if he was tied into a long term contract, we couldn't keep him at least until the end of the season and then sell him, probably for the same amount of money. Why does he have to go in this transfer window ? because Brentford want him now and paid a fee we deemed acceptable to let that happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 years ago i was once called a mushroom fan for supporting oldham today its never seemed so true - kept in the dark and fed on :censored: has been taken to another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcshuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 £150K are they being serious? He's young and has so much quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 'IF', the fee is £150,000 plus add-ons and 'IF', other clubs were interested and 'IF' that is what we accepted, that 'IS' what he is worth. Tarky was a promising centre-back who was making steady progress until he had a barnstormer on national TV at Preston. The highlight of his performance was not defending (PNE, were under the cosh the whole match) but running through their midfield at will. He has continued to entertain in this way to a lesser extent since then. Virtually all (if not all) of these runs have ended with him being relieved of the ball around the penalty area. Entertaining and exciting? Yes! productive? No! Tarky's mistake on Tuesday was in stark contrast to the Wolves central defenders method of relentlessly putting the ball into touch in the same situations. Whatever fee he has gone for (and he wants to go) it will be, by and large, a fair valuation and conditions in the opinion of both clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So, let me get this right. Some folk are annoyed at the selling of Tarky for £150K even though that's a figure shown in London press and there is no proof that it is accurate Some folk are annoyed that the fee is "undisclosed", even though this is normal for the majority of transfers these days unless it's for megamillions Some folk are annoyed that he's gone to a League 1 club, even though he is most likely going to be playing in the Championship next season Some folk are annoyed that he'll be back on loan on Feb 8th Some folk are annoyed that we are not building for the future as promised One "supporter" has decided not to go any more because of the transfer fee In response to this annoyance We don't honestly know what the fee is even though Matt Chambers seems pretty confident that is way more than the £150K quoted in the London press. But that can be conveniently ignored by some when it suits As fans, we have no right to know the transfer fee any more than we have a right to know what someone, other than ourselves, is earning at their chosen job. Is there a business other than football where folk demand to know the financial goings on? I'm sure someone will tell me Why shouldn't he go to a League 1 club if that what he wants? If he didn't want to join them, he wouldn't have done and I doubt there is anything in his contract which says he can't. Very little will prevent him being in a higher division next season There is nothing unusual in this; it happens on a regular basis, particularly in the Greedy League. Why should we be any different? We did it with Wayne Harrison years ago. With Wilson coming in, we have more cover at CB with Tarky back; best of both worlds How do we know we're not building for the future? We may have just unearthed a couple of gems. Swindon fans couldn't ubderstand why they had plucked Charlie Austin from non league. Didn't work out too shabby, did it? Plus, we don't know yet who else may arive in the summer or how many contraxcts will be renewed How can you corrolate a transfer with deciding not to go any more? If you're that fickle, fine. Go and watch someone else. You'll not be missed Let's just see how things go before we make any knee jerk reactions. Unless any of us can see into the future, we have no idea what lays in front of us. You never know, we may be quietly surprised. I'm sure there are many more issues tied up in all this, but I need to get some work done. You forgot that people are annoyed we accepted the first bid. Which is based on nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So, let me get this right. Some folk are annoyed at the selling of Tarky for £150K even though that's a figure shown in London press and there is no proof that it is accurate Some folk are annoyed that the fee is "undisclosed", even though this is normal for the majority of transfers these days unless it's for megamillions Some folk are annoyed that he's gone to a League 1 club, even though he is most likely going to be playing in the Championship next season Some folk are annoyed that he'll be back on loan on Feb 8th Some folk are annoyed that we are not building for the future as promised One "supporter" has decided not to go any more because of the transfer fee In response to this annoyance We don't honestly know what the fee is even though Matt Chambers seems pretty confident that is way more than the £150K quoted in the London press. But that can be conveniently ignored by some when it suits As fans, we have no right to know the transfer fee any more than we have a right to know what someone, other than ourselves, is earning at their chosen job. Is there a business other than football where folk demand to know the financial goings on? I'm sure someone will tell me Why shouldn't he go to a League 1 club if that what he wants? If he didn't want to join them, he wouldn't have done and I doubt there is anything in his contract which says he can't. Very little will prevent him being in a higher division next season There is nothing unusual in this; it happens on a regular basis, particularly in the Greedy League. Why should we be any different? We did it with Wayne Harrison years ago. With Wilson coming in, we have more cover at CB with Tarky back; best of both worlds How do we know we're not building for the future? We may have just unearthed a couple of gems. Swindon fans couldn't ubderstand why they had plucked Charlie Austin from non league. Didn't work out too shabby, did it? Plus, we don't know yet who else may arive in the summer or how many contraxcts will be renewed How can you corrolate a transfer with deciding not to go any more? If you're that fickle, fine. Go and watch someone else. You'll not be missed Let's just see how things go before we make any knee jerk reactions. Unless any of us can see into the future, we have no idea what lays in front of us. You never know, we may be quietly surprised. I'm sure there are many more issues tied up in all this, but I need to get some work done. Thanks Bristol for putting so crisply what I think too but you've expressed it better than I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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