super_blue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Not at our level you don't. Course you do...FFP says you do. No money/income = no spending on quality playing staff and so on! Football is a business now end of. It's a shame it has gone that way but it has and we have to move with the times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Course you do...FFP says you do. No money/income = no spending on quality playing staff and so on! Football is a business now end of. It's a shame it has gone that way but it has and we have to move with the times! You don't have to DO anything - stop paying ordinary players money that their abillity doesn't justify, develop your own instead and then you don't have to charge someone 22/50/90 quid to get in. FFP will be a dead duck in the not too distant future anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 You don't have to DO anything - stop paying ordinary players money that their abillity doesn't justify, develop your own instead and then you don't have to charge someone 22/50/90 quid to get in. FFP will be a dead duck in the not too distant future anyway. Developing your own is perfect but they will still want paying their worth so I come/revenue is important. As long as the top is how it is the rest have to play ball. A good youth product at Latics will 9 times out of 10 be lured away by a higher club and £££ will influence that decision. I as much as you wish this could work but unfortunately football is too far the way from this ever being able to happen in the future. Maybe a financial crash in the whole game is the only way this would happen now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I thought the main reason of being was the playing football matches bit. Yes but you need players, and they need paying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yes but you need players, and they need paying True, but think it is important not to lose sight of the fact that we are a community club (or at least should be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 True, but think it is important not to lose sight of the fact that we are a community club (or at least should be) Agreed but I can see a no win situation on the horizon with away fans... once initial novelty wears off if it was home fans only we may not fill it each week. But if we allow away fans in we may get a situation where it's full and there are some away fans in there and Oldham fans locked out. How do they guarantee that doesn't happen but also we maximise numbers in there every week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Agreed but I can see a no win situation on the horizon with away fans... once initial novelty wears off if it was home fans only we may not fill it each week. But if we allow away fans in we may get a situation where it's full and there are some away fans in there and Oldham fans locked out. How do they guarantee that doesn't happen but also we maximise numbers in there every week? It's a funny old world we live in where you're not the first person to moan about not being able to get in to a bar that doesn't even exist yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Agreed but I can see a no win situation on the horizon with away fans... once initial novelty wears off if it was home fans only we may not fill it each week. But if we allow away fans in we may get a situation where it's full and there are some away fans in there and Oldham fans locked out. How do they guarantee that doesn't happen but also we maximise numbers in there every week? It has been said first come first served. So if you want to get in, get there early, if not you run the risk. Which benefits the club, ultimately. There's a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Agreed but I can see a no win situation on the horizon with away fans... once initial novelty wears off if it was home fans only we may not fill it each week. But if we allow away fans in we may get a situation where it's full and there are some away fans in there and Oldham fans locked out. How do they guarantee that doesn't happen but also we maximise numbers in there every week? Don't try to maximise anything, just make it a nice place to go and enough home fans will be there. Plenty of other pubs nearby, somewhere like Grey Mare might even appreciate being 'designated' as the 'away' boozer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's a funny old world we live in where you're not the first person to moan about not being able to get in to a bar that doesn't even exist yet. It has been said first come first served. So if you want to get in, get there early, if not you run the risk. Which benefits the club, ultimately. There's a choice. Don't try to maximise anything, just make it a nice place to go and enough home fans will be there. Plenty of other pubs nearby, somewhere like Grey Mare might even appreciate being 'designated' as the 'away' boozer. Just to be clear, I'm not having a moan about this. Just pointing out an area of potential future moans! Personally I'd be in favour of making it home fans only so it's never an issue. Then it's up to the club to make sure it's enticing enough to fill it every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsrblue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 With regards profit from bars/catering etc it's not uncommon for an outsourcing company to be given the profit upto a certain amount and then for there to be split there after I.e OEC takes the profit upto £100k for the year then anything above that is split 50/50 with OAFC. It really depends what contract is in place with OEC It would be useful to know roughly what the terms of OEC Ltd's contract are. If it's like the one that you describe above then we would all know what to do to increase the income of OAFC Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It would be useful to know roughly what the terms of OEC Ltd's contract are. If it's like the one that you describe above then we would all know what to do to increase the income of OAFC Ltd. Non of our business is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Oldham Athletic....their customers barry :censored:peas likes you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 None of our business is it?certainly looks like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Don't try to maximise anything, just make it a nice place to go and enough home fans will be there. Plenty of other pubs nearby, somewhere like Grey Mare might even appreciate being 'designated' as the 'away' boozer. I bet the Police would rather have away fans in a bar at the ground rather than wandering about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I thought the main reason of being was the playing football matches bit. That bit only applies about 50 times a year, whereas the revenue-production is all year round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I bet the Police would rather have away fans in a bar at the ground rather than wandering about. Think that's another reason for the relocation to the chaddy. Coaches pulling up on that side of the ground, the bar is right in front of them, food down at elk mill and then just walk to the chaddy. Fans in the main stand and the RRE won't see away fans wandering around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I bet the Police would rather have away fans in a bar at the ground rather than wandering about. It's Oldham, not Everton Valley. I bet they would rather there were never any away fans at all however it's nowt to do with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Non of our business is it? The Trust is a shareholder in OAFC it wouldn't be an unreasonable request for them to ask the question. If not then it would surely be declared in each of the accounts of OAFC and OEC at the end of the year either way people will find out at some point. Regarding the new supporters bar well its just a case of suck it and see, I imagine it will be full every week to begin with then the novelty will wear off and some will go back to their local of choice for a pre and post match pint. If demand is there to fill it with Home fans every week then make it home fans only if not then let away fans in, If their is a particularly big away following make it home fans only. It will sort itself out in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Think that's another reason for the relocation to the chaddy. Coaches pulling up on that side of the ground, the bar is right in front of them, food down at elk mill and then just walk to the chaddy. Fans in the main stand and the RRE won't see away fans wandering around They're fellow football fans not rabid, post apocalyptic killer zombies. Millwall aside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Think that's another reason for the relocation to the chaddy. Coaches pulling up on that side of the ground, the bar is right in front of them, food down at elk mill and then just walk to the chaddy. Fans in the main stand and the RRE won't see away fans wandering aroundApart from those who park in the car park. It does limit the issue of having home fans walking to their cars from the main stand mixing with away fans at the back of the RRE though. It's a bit of a moot point, the decision to move home fans out of the Chaddy was not made on police advice, it was made after "consultation" with the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Regarding the new supporters bar well its just a case of suck it and see, I imagine it will be full every week to begin with then the novelty will wear off and some will go back to their local of choice for a pre and post match pint. Any news on the ale front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The Trust is a shareholder in OAFC it wouldn't be an unreasonable request for them to ask the question. If not then it would surely be declared in each of the accounts of OAFC and OEC at the end of the year either way people will find out at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's Oldham, not Everton Valley. I bet they would rather there were never any away fans at all however it's nowt to do with them. If only the Police had no say in arrangements for football matches, and if only the Club didn't have to pay for Policing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Any news on the ale front? They're hoping to have at least one ale available apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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