singe Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 The old adage, never :censored: on your own doorstep rings true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamoafc Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) We've not even got any players we can sell in January worth anything. Might get a tiny bit for Edmunson if rumours are true. If we don't get a decent pay day in the fa cup (if we get through)... I fear for us... massively Edited November 22, 2016 by oldhamoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Do you subscribe to Sky Sports BP? Guilty Milord, but in mitigating circumstances I have been a credit to the community attending Boundary Park since 1960. I think any sentence you pass such as a free Oldham Athletic season ticket should bear in mind how much I've suffered in the past. Edited November 22, 2016 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'm not suggesting all is well or that this is a good thing, of course not, but - is this not just Corney playing the system yet again, bending the rules with no real consequences at the end of it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'm not suggesting all is well or that this is a good thing, of course not, but - is this not just Corney playing the system yet again, bending the rules with no real consequences at the end of it all? There's playing the system and then there's screwing over local clubs who need money just like we do. For us not to pay Rochdale (or any other club we may owe for that matter) , it's effectively stealing, and is a :censored:'s trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 It might be as simple as a bank transfer delay..we can only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 There's playing the system and then there's screwing over local clubs who need money just like we do. For us not to pay Rochdale (or any other club we may owe for that matter) , it's effectively stealing, and is a :censored:'s trick. Maybe Calvin Andrew had heard the rumours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 There's playing the system and then there's screwing over local clubs who need money just like we do. For us not to pay Rochdale (or any other club we may owe for that matter) , it's effectively stealing, and is a :censored:'s trick. I agree, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 There's playing the system and then there's screwing over local clubs who need money just like we do. For us not to pay Rochdale (or any other club we may owe for that matter) , it's effectively stealing, and is a :censored:'s trick. It might well be but it happens in businesses all the time when cash flow is an issue. The only bills that will be getting paid will be those that absolutely need to be. The fact that the 'punishment' for late payment is a transfer embargo when we're outside a window is a flaw in the system that we seem to be taking advantage of. In the normal world, obviously the creditor would eventually go down a legal route to reclaim the money but I don't recall this happening between football clubs so maybe the FL tell them not to & we're happy to sit tight. Of course Corney will be hoping that the FA Cup will alleviate some of these problems (who knows what plan B will be) but I suspect that, all being well, as soon as Sunderland indicate that they wish to proceed with the rumoured Edmundson transfer at some point in January, money will be found to lift the embargo for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 It might be as simple as a bank transfer delay..we can only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 It might well be but it happens in businesses all the time when cash flow is an issue. The only bills that will be getting paid will be those that absolutely need to be. The fact that the 'punishment' for late payment is a transfer embargo when we're outside a window is a flaw in the system that we seem to be taking advantage of. In the normal world, obviously the creditor would eventually go down a legal route to reclaim the money but I don't recall this happening between football clubs so maybe the FL tell them not to & we're happy to sit tight. Of course Corney will be hoping that the FA Cup will alleviate some of these problems (who knows what plan B will be) but I suspect that, all being well, as soon as Sunderland indicate that they wish to proceed with the rumoured Edmundson transfer at some point in January, money will be found to lift the embargo for the time being. Mods - ban this reasonable bastard.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 It might well be but it happens in businesses all the time when cash flow is an issue. The only bills that will be getting paid will be those that absolutely need to be. The fact that the 'punishment' for late payment is a transfer embargo when we're outside a window is a flaw in the system that we seem to be taking advantage of. In the normal world, obviously the creditor would eventually go down a legal route to reclaim the money but I don't recall this happening between football clubs so maybe the FL tell them not to & we're happy to sit tight. Of course Corney will be hoping that the FA Cup will alleviate some of these problems (who knows what plan B will be) but I suspect that, all being well, as soon as Sunderland indicate that they wish to proceed with the rumoured Edmundson transfer at some point in January, money will be found to lift the embargo for the time being. Wouldn't a creditor be within their rights to apply interest to a sum not paid by the agreed time frame (unless otherwise not agreed before hand) before even contemplating the legal route? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Wouldn't it be ironic if Bury applied for a winding up order against us ? (assuming they are one of the clubs owed money). The withheld gate receipts are something that probably will be resolved by the FA Cup/Edmondson money. My bigger concern at the moment is the unspecified 'other issues' that Jack Dearden has refered to. We've no idea how significant these might be at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Wouldn't a creditor be within their rights to apply interest to a sum not paid by the agreed time frame (unless otherwise not agreed before hand) before even contemplating the legal route? No idea but then I don't know where money raised from ticket sales stands in comparison to the purchase of a normal good or service and, as above, I expect that the football league have their own inadequate guidelines that govern all this anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hope Linoln pay us our 45% on time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitygoo Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 The loan thing is as concerning... We rely heavily on the system but now canot be trusted.... Good luck us getting any quality out of this system now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Dec 2015 - Club struggles to pay players Dec 2015 - Club borrows £241k from Necarcu Ltd Mar 2016 - Club arranges get rich quick scheme with ST offer (presumably to pay Necarcu Ltd back) Mar 2016 - Club sees Latics win 3 games which reduces ST's by £150 each (the gamble backfired) May 2016 - Club reduces wage bill to complete minimum for 2 months of close season by reducing playing staff to 5 players June 2016 - Club faces winding up order but settles this to avoid any further action July 2016 - Nov 2106 - Club appoints rookie manager & cobbles together a side. Club sees barely any more ST's bought due to March offer while pay on the day is so poor the club reduce the prices to £15. Nov 2016 - Transfer Embargo on club ----------------------------------------------------- It's not hard to join the dots above. I don't think it's hard to see what happens next. The club isn't being sold. Not until houses are built all behind the Chaddy, over Little Wembley and wherever else they can fit them. The monies will finish off the OEC. Then they will be able to command the extortionate (if the £24m figure is true...which I've heard from a few people I would expect to know or have a good idea of) amount for the club, land and stand. So in the meantime, this austerity continues to the breaking point. It feels closer and closer with each chapter from Corneys book. The short term plan now (if you can call this a plan) is that we either have to beat Lincoln and pull a top side in the Cup (get lucky again basically.) Or we have to go borrowing from Necarcu Ltd or whoever else again. The problem with borrowing is that the ever decreasing circle has shrank to almost nothing. We have no players as saleable assets, we have no sell-on clauses left coz we've cashed them in, we have barely any pay on the day attendees. We might be able to do another Season Ticket get-rich quick scheme in the new year......but you see where this goes..... We have a gambler...a proper chancer in charge of us. And he's won a couple of Liverpool ties to stave the wolf from the door, dodging bullets along the way. To the point there's virtually nothing left. The only way Corney could save himself any more angst from Latics fans is he turns the tables and points the gun squarely at Blitz, Gazal and the whole Brassbank set up. It is these people who have the keys to the land. They will say OAFC is nothing to do with them and OEC is everything to the project before they can sell it for the amount they are looking for. Where will OAFC be by then??? Let me put it another way...Simon won't be having a very good Xmas and I've no doubt he will be doing his nut over our situation should we lose to Lincoln. Meanwhile, his two mates sit counting their cash over their Xmas dinner without a worry in the World. There's no way us fans can pressure Blitz and Gazal so Corney cops it. Rightly so. If he genuinely gives a :censored: about OAFC it's up to him to get his mates to cut their losses and sell us and let a new potential owner build on the rest of BP while actually giving a :censored: about us too. Otherwise...he continues to receive the :censored: he does while we nosedive further and further. Edited November 22, 2016 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Did you mean December 2015? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Did you mean December 2015? Obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Did you mean December 2015? I did. Edited now. Just testing you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Dec 2015 - Club struggles to pay players Dec 2015 - Club borrows £241k from Necarcu Ltd Mar 2016 - Club arranges get rich quick scheme with ST offer (presumably to pay Necarcu Ltd back) Mar 2016 - Club sees Latics win 3 games which reduces ST's by £150 each (the gamble backfired) May 2016 - Club reduces wage bill to complete minimum for 2 months of close season by reducing playing staff to 5 players June 2016 - Club faces winding up order but settles this to avoid any further action July 2016 - Nov 2106 - Club appoints rookie manager & cobbles together a side. Club sees barely any more ST's bought due to March offer while pay on the day is so poor the club reduce the prices to £15. Nov 2016 - Transfer Embargo on club ----------------------------------------------------- It's not hard to join the dots above. I don't think it's hard to see what happens next. The club isn't being sold. Not until houses are built all behind the Chaddy, over Little Wembley and wherever else they can fit them. The monies will finish off the OEC. Then they will be able to command the extortionate (if the £24m figure is true...which I've heard from a few people I would expect to know or have a good idea of) amount for the club, land and stand. So in the meantime, this austerity continues to the breaking point. It feels closer and closer with each chapter from Corneys book. The short term plan now (if you can call this a plan) is that we either have to beat Lincoln and pull a top side in the Cup (get lucky again basically.) Or we have to go borrowing from Necarcu Ltd or whoever else again. The problem with borrowing is that the ever decreasing circle has shrank to almost nothing. We have no players as saleable assets, we have no sell-on clauses left coz we've cashed them in, we have barely any pay on the day attendees. We might be able to do another Season Ticket get-rich quick scheme in the new year......but you see where this goes..... We have a gambler...a proper chancer in charge of us. And he's won a couple of Liverpool ties to stave the wolf from the door, dodging bullets along the way. To the point there's virtually nothing left. The only way Corney could save himself any more angst from Latics fans is he turns the tables and points the gun squarely at Blitz, Gazal and the whole Brassbank set up. It is these people who have the keys to the land. They will say OAFC is nothing to do with them and OEC is everything to the project before they can sell it for the amount they are looking for. Where will OAFC be by then??? Let me put it another way...Simon won't be having a very good Xmas and I've no doubt he will be doing his nut over our situation should we lose to Lincoln. Meanwhile, his two mates sit counting their cash over their Xmas dinner without a worry in the World. There's no way us fans can pressure Blitz and Gazal so Corney cops it. Rightly so. If he genuinely gives a :censored: about OAFC it's up to him to get his mates to cut their losses and sell us and let a new potential owner build on the rest of BP while actually giving a :censored: about us too. Otherwise...he continues to receive the :censored: he does while we nosedive further and further. Great post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 May 2016 - Club reduces wage bill to complete minimum for 2 months of close season by reducing playing staff to 5 players Nice story but player contracts run to the 30th June. "Short term" contracts like Gerrard aside, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Nice story but player contracts run to the 30th June. "Short term" contracts like Gerrard aside, that is. Corney still needs to leave like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Nice story but player contracts run to the 30th June. "Short term" contracts like Gerrard aside, that is. The days of that happening are long gone. Most contracts run up to May 31st now as clubs won't pay an extra month for players they don't want so can offload them on June 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitygoo Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Wonder if the players look disinterested because they're not confident that we will pay them on time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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