Flemboy Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Thought he played well at Shrewsbury and look forward to seeing him play again for us . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Is that right...? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/michael-ngoo/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/175739 Edited February 8, 2017 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/michael-ngoo/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/175739 So he scored 5 in 17 for Hearts? Or am I being stupid? The 1.411 figure you keep quoting is the number of minutes he played for Hearts, but using the European full-stop separator rather than a comma (i.e. 1,411 minutes). It's not a ratio... Arguably more interesting is that he's only ever scored 6 in 48 first-team games in his career by the age of 24. Not sure he's quite the goalscoring Messiah we'd like him to be, but hope to be proved wrong...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) So he scored 5 in 17 for Hearts? Or am I being stupid? The 1.411 figure you keep quoting is the number of minutes he played for Hearts, but using the European full-stop separator rather than a comma (i.e. 1,411 minutes). It's not a ratio... Arguably more interesting is that he's only ever scored 6 in 48 first-team games in his career by the age of 24. Not sure he's quite the goalscoring Messiah we'd like him to be, but hope to be proved wrong...! 6 in 48 first team games doesn't tell you how many minutes he spent on the pitch, many may only have been a few minutes like at this club. His goals by minutes on the pitch stand up just as Matt Smith's did when he played here. In your opinion will he score less goals than the other strikers if given a run of games? Edited February 8, 2017 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 6 in 48 first team games doesn't tell you how many minutes he spent on the pitch, many may only have been a few minutes like at this club. His goals by minutes on the pitch stand up just as Matt Smith's did when he played here. In your opinion will he score less goals than the other strikers if given a run of games? That wasn't really my argument, I just wanted to make it clear that he didn't actually have a goal per game scoring record at Hearts. Society's recent tendency towards 'post-truth' culture has made me increasingly fractious towards arguments premised on misinformation. But as you ask... I don't know. It concerns me slightly, however, that a succession of, frankly, pretty mediocre clubs in equally medicore leagues (ourselves included) haven't deemed him good enough to play consistently, despite his apparent pedigree. Given a prolonged chance, he might bag a couple, but I'm as yet unconvinced that he's the answer to our problems, and suspect he'll be released at the end of the season. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) That wasn't really my argument, I just wanted to make it clear that he didn't actually have a goal per game scoring record at Hearts. Society's recent tendency towards 'post-truth' culture has made me increasingly fractious towards arguments premised on misinformation. But as you ask... I don't know. It concerns me slightly, however, that a succession of, frankly, pretty mediocre clubs in equally medicore leagues (ourselves included) haven't deemed him good enough to play consistently, despite his apparent pedigree. Given a prolonged chance, he might bag a couple, but I'm as yet unconvinced that he's the answer to our problems, and suspect he'll be released at the end of the season. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong. This may explain his poor record in the last couple of years, seems a serious ankle injury he might not have fully recovered from. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/michael-ngoo/verletzungen/spieler/175739 Edited February 8, 2017 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ngoo is a poor footballer. I've said it another thread and I'll stand it by it. Like I also said in the other thread, I'd love to be proven wrong. There's little, if any evidence to prove you right. Your slate was clearly never clean for whatever reason. Probably the most premature judgement of a player I've ever seen on this site, and you've got plenty of competition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 There's little, if any evidence to prove you right. Your slate was clearly never clean for whatever reason. Probably the most premature judgement of a player I've ever seen on this site, and you've got plenty of competition... In his defence I have to admit I made a rapid judgment after watching Lord Kangana 5 minutes into his Latics debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) . Edited February 9, 2017 by oafc1955 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Still not convinced by Holloways "holdup" skills. Main last year was far better IMO and this year he has not shown the same ability to bully defenders and force time for other players to get into the game. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Couldn't he play alongside Holloway Monty? Maybe yeah, lets see. He didn't really play that well in his only appearance, looked a bit clumsy. Sure he will get a chance soon tho.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Strange he started his first game, did well and was then dropped hardly to be seen again. Was he actually that good at Shrewsbury? I didn't go so couldn't judge directly but he didn't trouble the scorers and the reviews people on here some were impressed but it wasn't unanimous. The 2 sub appearances I saw against Peterborough and Bradford he didn't really trouble the opposition defence too much. Matt Smith was way ahead of him at this stage in his career infact he was already a championship playe. That said I don't think we should say either way if he is the answer or not at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 But would he score less goals than the present lot? They could stick you up top BP and you wouldn't score less goals, that doesn't mean it's a good decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 His goal ratio at Hearts was 1.411 (practically a goal a game). Ok it's Scotland, but still makes me think he has more goals in him than the others. He was also prolific for Liverpool under 23s. He played 16 games at Hearts (all starts, not short sub appearances) and scored 5. That's no even close to a goal a game. And it's Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 He played 16 games at Hearts (all starts, not short sub appearances) and scored 5. That's no even close to a goal a game. And it's Scotland. He scored a hattrick for our stiffs though. And he is tall. That's enough in BP's world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 He scored a hattrick for our stiffs though. And he is tall. That's enough in BP's world. You have to play to the strengths of these guys, not many on here were impressed with Matt Smith before the Liverpool game. Myself included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 From his brief cameo I saw against Bradford (?) he looked like a striking version of Fane. No touch or football ability, but hopefully he can be in the right place at the right time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 You have to play to the strengths of these guys, not many on here were impressed with Matt Smith before the Liverpool game. Myself included. I wouldn't know what his strengths are and neither do you yet you are going on as though it is a no brainer that he should be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I wouldn't know what his strengths are and neither do you yet you are going on as though it is a no brainer that he should be playing. If you read my posts properly I suggest he might score more goals than those tried, tested, and failed before. If he isn't given a chance you will never know. It should be obvious even to you if we carry on as we are we won't score enough goals to avoid relegation. Why did the manager sign him is one question you ought to ask? It seems to me you love to prove people wrong, it doesn't bother me what you think though as I will give my opinions anyway. Edited February 9, 2017 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Well he has scored just 8 goals in 82 football league appearances, we have lost 3 of the 5 games he has played for this season, he has only ever scored in one game for us, he has managed just 14 starts in the last 21 months,we have failed to score in 6 of the 14 games in which he has appeared for us, he was not able to get into the team of a club in our division..... there is a case to answer Are you saying rather than signing Holloway we should have gone for someone with, say 41 goals in 82 games, who would have ensured we won all 5 of the games he's played in for us, has scored in every game he's played for us (or failing that, at least half of them), has never been injured and is never gong to be injured and was ever present for the team in this division we were going to sign him from? He sounds ace - what's his name and how much will he cost? Edited February 9, 2017 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 If you read my posts properly I suggest he might score more goals than those tried, tested, and failed before. If he isn't given a chance you will never know. It should be obvious even to you if we carry on as we are we won't score enough goals to avoid relegation. If he fails, he's been no different than the the rest. It seems to me you love to prove people wrong, it doesn't bother me what you think though as I will give my opinions anyway. Won 3 out of 6 under Sheridan, maintain that and we stay up, ugly football or not. He knows what is getting with Holloway, that's why he is playing and Ngoo isn't, I trust him to get more right than wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Strange he started his first game, did well and was then dropped hardly to be seen again. Not really. Shez had only had them for a week or so and had been trying stuff out during games and in training. He tried Ngoo out and he did OK in a poor team performance. Next he tried Holloway and McLaughlin. While far from perfect, that's been more successful and he's stuck with it. Edited February 9, 2017 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Are we sure about Holloway? I for one have reservations I said during Holloway's loan spell that he'll play at a higher level and I still believe that. Just looking at his goals/game ratio is short-sighted. He's the sort of player who would enable a decent striker alongside him the opportunity to score :censored:loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Dan Gardner was absolutely :censored:e on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Won 3 out of 6 under Sheridan, maintain that and we stay up, ugly football or not. He knows what is getting with Holloway, that's why he is playing and Ngoo isn't, I trust him to get more right than wrong. He knows what he's getting with Holloway, I assume by that you mean very few goals. So the manager sometimes gets things wrong, that's a surprise. Edited February 9, 2017 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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