Smiler13 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Boundary Blue your opinion is respected but you are wrong hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, boundaryblue80 said: I'm just not having it that the reason Shez didn't pick Placide was anything to do with ability...and everything to do with the internal politics of players being forced upon him. To say Shez didn't fancy him is, in my opinion, bollocks. Damn. I couldn't resist I agree that Shez has been unduly criticised by some on here after he's gone. I also agree there were politics for him to contend with (the interviews look to confirm that). Fact is though, Placide was available and he preserved alternating two second rate keepers. It was either due to poor judgement or stubbornness. Wrong call either way. Edited December 12, 2017 by longtimeblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Hands on said: If you were at the game you would have seen a crass error by Gerrard when he passed the ball back at speed when he had other options. Byrne ticked Gerrard off and not Johny. It did however show how much our team has come to trust Johny. Ripley and Placide are different. Ripley did very well as the last line of defence and saved us from relegation. Placide is doing very well as the first line of attack and with his excellent defensive work as well he is putting us in line for our highest finish for some years. Cometh the team cometh the goal keeper. Both were/are fantastic at this level but Johny is what we need now. Agree with this. They are completely different players who worked in completely different circumstances, and it's almost unfair to compare them. I think Ripley is the better shot stopper (although Placide isn't bad) and clearly Placide is the better distributor. I think Ripley was better suited to the way we played last season (i.e. trying to nick a goal and then defending the box trying to hold on) but he would clearly struggle to play the role Wellens wants his keeper to play this season (i.e. sweeper keeper/orchestrator of attacks) which Placide is so comfortable with. Both are the right keeper for the style of play during their time in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, longtimeblue said: I agree that Shez has been unduly criticised by some on here after he's gone. I also agree there were politics for him to contend with (the interviews look to confirm that). Fact is though, Placide was available and he preserved alternating two second rate keepers. It was either due to poor judgement or stubberness. Wrong call either way. Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Kusunga_Is_God said: I think it's gone unnoticed but Placide made two very good saves against Northampton. What Placide has and that is a rarity for League One keepers is that he is confident and capable to claim a cross and control his area. They're two both great keepers and I think we're lucky to again have a class keeper just one season after having the best Keeper we've had in 10 years. <Ahem> Not quite unnoticed... see penultimate line in my post on Sunday ? On 10/12/2017 at 8:09 AM, TheBigDog said: Had a 9 hour round trip yesterday but it was worth it ? A few observations: Football superstitions - Richie Wellens spent the first half not wearing a jacket. At the start of the second half, he came out well wrapped up and then promptly discarded the jacket when Northampton scored! Flynn came on late to shore up the midfield but seemed to have a specific role in calming Fane down. On numerous occasions he would talk to him and reassure. When he came on, O’Toole for Northampton was more interested in niggling our players than playing football. Aptly named methinks. Doyle had a tough day playing as a lone striker - but he never stopped running and his movement is first class. Gerrard, backpass apart, was outstanding. Placide made two outstanding saves. Happy daze ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, bozman said: I think Ripley was better suited to the way we played last season (i.e. trying to nick a goal and then defending the box trying to hold on) but he would clearly struggle to play the role Wellens wants his keeper to play this season (i.e. sweeper keeper/orchestrator of attacks) which Placide is so comfortable with. Ripley can't do what Placide does but I see no reason why Placide couldn't have been just as good for us as Ripley was in last seasons style of play... Unbelievable & weird really that we've been priveleged to see two such great Oldham goalkeepers (and I already consider them both as greats) in a period where we've not quite managed to get higher than 16th in League One Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, longtimeblue said: I agree that Shez has been unduly criticised by some on here after he's gone. I also agree there were politics for him to contend with (the interviews look to confirm that). Fact is though, Placide was available and he preserved alternating two second rate keepers. It was either due to poor judgement or stubbornness. Wrong call either way. I’ll agree on the stubbornness. Which I’m extremely grateful for coz without his stance & stubbornness I doubt we would’ve got Byrne, Bryan and Doyle in. Anyway, this Shez topic is has been done. Until someone next slates Shez over why he wouldn’t play Placide ? Edited December 12, 2017 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Valentine Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Talk of him signing for Bury in January? Be a big deal for them if they pull that off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 If there is a deal to be done then it should be high priority for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, deyres42 said: If there is a deal to be done then it should be high priority for us. Not as high a priority of signing Doyle, Byrne and Bryan though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 33 minutes ago, deyres42 said: If there is a deal to be done then it should be high priority for us. Why? Placide is perfectly fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Why? Placide is perfectly fine You may well be rIght but he's let a few in. If it weren't for the entertainment value he may come in for more criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Don't really rate placide if I am honest. He's fine but he's no ripley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: You may well be rIght but he's let a few in. If it weren't for the entertainment value he may come in for more criticism. I agree he’s not beyond blame but I don’t think Ripley would fit into our team - we rely a lot on Placide’s distribution which is very good, Ripley’s was awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, Buckshawlatic said: I agree he’s not beyond blame but I don’t think Ripley would fit into our team - we rely a lot on Placide’s distribution which is very good, Ripley’s was awful I'd still take Ripley but I'm in a minority, he was good at keeping it out of the net which I put in front of distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Just now, yarddog73 said: I'd still take Ripley but I'm in a minority, he was good at keeping it out of the net which I put in front of distribution. Just now, yarddog73 said: I'd still take Ripley but I'm in a minority, he was good at keeping it out of the net which I put in front of distribution. In a team set up to defend against all else - and with a good defence in front of him, I just dont think he’d be as good in this team with how we play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Sounds like we need a poll. Where's singe when you need him? FWIW Placide for me. Ripley's arse will be massive now after not playing all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 45 minutes ago, oafcmetty said: Sounds like we need a poll. Where's singe when you need him? FWIW Placide for me. Ripley's arse will be massive now after not playing all season. True, with a few splinters to boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 58 minutes ago, Buckshawlatic said: In a team set up to defend against all else - and with a good defence in front of him, I just dont think he’d be as good in this team with how we play Do you think last seasons defence was better than this? I don't - we certainly didn't have anyone with Kean Bryan's quality, okay the midfield was more protective last season but I still think many underestimate just how good he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Has Placide made any notable blunders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Has Placide made any notable blunders? Notable- Not really. Blunders- Couple of very poor walls at set-pieces. MK Dons immediately springs to mind. Plus the backpass against Northampton, but Gerrard needs a lot of blame for that. His distribution has been worth a couple of goals too. Something that you'd struggle to say about Ripley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Placide is part of the spine that is himself, Bryan, Byrne and Doyle. Everything starts with them. Ripley was just the coccyx taking all the weight. There was never any start of anything else. Placide for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonLatics Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Whilst Ripley had some great performances last year, it's easy to forget how good Clarke was last season. Without him it could've been a very different season. I think his performances made the difference in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Ripley would have saved many of the goals Placide has conceded. The end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 minute ago, RoytonLatics said: Whilst Ripley had some great performances last year, it's easy to forget how good Clarke was last season. Without him it could've been a very different season. I think his performances made the difference in the end. It's easy enough, Ripley saved 80% of all the shots on targets he faced, that's very high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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