pukka Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Darren Kelly wasnt here long enough really to forn much of an opinion. He was never wanted from the off. The bloke behind me at Walsall booed him. Good performance that day too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Dickov above Johnson??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, Ryan said: Dickov above Johnson??? Must be pretty close. They both short arses but I’d say yeah Dickov the slightly taller man. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Yes. Some realise the sun didn’t shine out of LJs arse. And that he had far more (thanks to Dickovs cup run) to spend than Dickov who had very little. Admittedly LJ is a better manager now than he was at ours though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Moore above Johnson? Moore actually saved us from relegation and had us challenging for the playoffs the next season. Johnson saved us from relegation then finished 15th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, boundaryblue80 said: Yes. Some realise the sun didn’t shine out of LJs arse. And that he had far more (thanks to Dickovs cup run) to spend than Dickov who had very little. Admittedly LJ is a better manager now than he was at ours though. We were having our best season for over 5 years when he left. The way Holden finished that season with the same group of players highlighted how good of a manager LJ was for us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ryan said: We were having our best season for over 5 years when he left. The way Holden finished that season with the same group of players highlighted how good of a manager LJ was for us... LJ’s form from December (when the wheels started coming off) until he left in late Feb wasn’t much better than Holden’s. LJ - W4 D1 L7 Holden - W3 D5 L7 Edited March 28, 2018 by PlayItLivo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesidg Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: Must be pretty close. They both short arses but I’d say yeah Dickov the slightly taller man. ? LJ 5 ft 6 PD 5 ft 6 and 1/2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 45 minutes ago, stevesidg said: LJ 5 ft 6 PD 5 ft 6 and 1/2 Dickovs extra 1/2 inch!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnafoafc Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Wasn’t LJ handed Dickov’s old Latics jacket upon appointment? They put a piece of gaffer tape over Dickov’s initials if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, johnafoafc said: Wasn’t LJ handed Dickov’s old Latics jacket upon appointment? They put a piece of gaffer tape over Dickov’s initials if I remember correctly. Well....he was the new gaffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnafoafc Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Flemboy said: Well....he was the new gaffer You’re entering mickjagger territory here lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickjagger Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Flemboy said: Well....he was the new gaffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) On 28/03/2018 at 6:10 PM, pukka said: Darren Kelly wasnt here long enough really to forn much of an opinion. He was never wanted from the off. The bloke behind me at Walsall booed him. Good performance that day too!! He also the only one on that list who we would collectively agree should never have been given the job even David Dunn who was just as clueless could say he atleast deserved a crack at it based on his fairly distinguished (compared to some others) playing career. We would have gone down in 2013 had Dickov carried on, Johnson got them over the line. For me johnson had to be above Dickov as he knew how to change things when they werent working, where I felt Dickovs lack of a plan B hampered him somewhat. I also think a common misconception is that Ronnie Moore would have got us promotion had he stayed the extra year. He left us had 3 seasons at Tranmere where he is loved and has the fans backing and didnt even get them into the play offs. Infact the last promotion on his c.v. was with Rotherham in 2001. Johnsons career while not achieving a promotion yet does appear to have gone on an upward trend overall. Edited March 29, 2018 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: He also the only one on that list who we would collectively agree should never have been given the job even David Dunn who was just as clueless could say he atleast deserved a crack at it based on his fairly distinguished (compared to some others) playing career. We would have gone in 2013 had Dickov carried on Johnson got them over the line. For me johnson had to be above Dickov as he knew how to change tgings when they werent working, where I felt Dickovs lack of a plan B hampered him somewhat. I also think a common misconception is that Ronnie Moore would have got us promotion had he stayed the extra year. He left us had 3 seasons at Tranmere where he is loved and has the fans backing and didnt even get them into the play offs. Infact the last promotion on his c.v. was with Rotherham in 2001. Johnsons career while not achieving a promotion yet does appear to have gone on an upward trend overall. Shez got us to the play-off with what was essentially Ronnie's team in his rookie season. There was enough to suggest Ronnie would have done better than Shez. Which would either mean a trip to Wembley or promotion or both. The season after we beat Everton in the Cup and finished top 10, making up for an awful start with a excellent 2nd half of the season. I can see us doing better that season too. Would Ronnie have gotten us promoted- perhaps not but there's enough evidence to say it was a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 We got to see what Wellens was like after Ronnie left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsworthlatic Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 19 hours ago, pukka said: Darren Kelly wasnt here long enough really to forn much of an opinion. He was never wanted from the off. The bloke behind me at Walsall booed him. Good performance that day too!! Good performance? Would hardly describe it as that! We did okay for 40 minutes, played well for 15 mins near the end when Forte scored. The first 30/35 mins was a disorganised mess! Being interviewed after the fixtures came out, Darren Kelly didn't even know we had Walsall away first game? Bit embarrassing! I don't agree with how he was removed, I were told late July that we had Dunn lined up from a person that works at a fellow League One club so that was disgraceful. That said he shouldn't have got the job in the first place. Dunn ranks worse than him for me at the bottom closely followed by Penney. And no...I wasn't the person booing him haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said: We would have gone in 2013 had Dickov carried on Johnson got them over the line. For me johnson had to be above Dickov as he knew how to change tgings when they werent working, where I felt Dickovs lack of a plan B hampered him somewhat. I also think a common misconception is that Ronnie Moore would have got us promotion had he stayed the extra year. He left us had 3 seasons at Tranmere where he is loved and has the fans backing and didnt even get them into the play offs. Infact the last promotion on his c.v. was with Rotherham in 2001. Johnsons career while not achieving a promotion yet does appear to have gone on an upward trend overall. Sorry but that's bollocks about Dickov. He'd proven time and time again he could get the vital wins when necessary and if I remember correctly, we wasn't even in the relegation places when he was sacked. Shez with no real experience of managing (bar a caretaker spell) took the side to the playoffs with Moores side. Even Wellens said at a fans forum the following season that Moore never wanted to play like happened in the first full season but that he needed to get rid of one or two players ie. Branston who just wanted to hoof it. We would've been up there as much as it pains some to admit it. Whatever he did at Tranmere has absolutely zero baring on us at all. Nobody has a clue of the ins and outs going on at Tranmere and why it didn't work out there. EDIT: Table the day Dickov was sacked League One table after close of play on 03 February 2013 Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Tranmere Rovers 30 16 8 6 46 27 19 56 2 Doncaster Rovers 29 17 5 7 43 27 16 56 3 AFC Bournemouth 30 14 10 6 53 39 14 52 4 Swindon Town 29 14 9 6 50 20 30 51 5 Brentford 29 13 11 5 41 30 11 50 6 Sheffield United 29 12 12 5 40 28 12 48 7 Yeovil Town 29 15 3 11 48 39 9 48 8 Coventry City 31 13 8 10 51 39 12 47 9 Walsall 31 12 8 11 43 46 -3 44 10 Notts County 29 11 10 8 42 31 11 43 11 Milton Keynes Dons 28 12 7 9 39 31 8 43 12 Crewe Alexandra 29 12 7 10 36 37 -1 43 13 Leyton Orient 30 13 4 13 33 36 -3 43 14 Crawley Town 28 12 6 10 37 40 -3 42 15 Stevenage 27 11 7 9 34 37 -3 40 16 Carlisle United 29 10 6 13 36 50 -14 36 17 Preston North End 29 8 11 10 38 38 0 35 18 Shrewsbury Town 31 7 13 11 33 38 -5 34 19 Colchester United 29 8 5 16 30 46 -16 29 20 Oldham Athletic 30 7 6 17 29 44 -15 27 21 Bury 29 5 11 13 29 42 -13 26 22 Scunthorpe United 29 6 8 15 29 49 -20 26 23 Portsmouth 29 5 6 18 32 52 -20 21 24 Hartlepool United 29 4 7 18 25 51 -26 19 Edited March 29, 2018 by boundaryblue80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Think these lists highlight the importance of recruiting good players, without those you are nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, boundaryblue80 said: Sorry but that's bollocks about Dickov. He'd proven time and time again he could get the vital wins when necessary and if I remember correctly, we wasn't even in the relegation places when he was sacked. Shez with no real experience of managing (bar a caretaker spell) took the side to the playoffs with Moores side. Even Wellens said at a fans forum the following season that Moore never wanted to play like happened in the first full season but that he needed to get rid of one or two players ie. Branston who just wanted to hoof it. We would've been up there as much as it pains some to admit it. Whatever he did at Tranmere has absolutely zero baring on us at all. Nobody has a clue of the ins and outs going on at Tranmere and why it didn't work out there. EDIT: Table the day Dickov was sacked League One table after close of play on 03 February 2013 Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts 1 Tranmere Rovers 30 16 8 6 46 27 19 56 2 Doncaster Rovers 29 17 5 7 43 27 16 56 3 AFC Bournemouth 30 14 10 6 53 39 14 52 4 Swindon Town 29 14 9 6 50 20 30 51 5 Brentford 29 13 11 5 41 30 11 50 6 Sheffield United 29 12 12 5 40 28 12 48 7 Yeovil Town 29 15 3 11 48 39 9 48 8 Coventry City 31 13 8 10 51 39 12 47 9 Walsall 31 12 8 11 43 46 -3 44 10 Notts County 29 11 10 8 42 31 11 43 11 Milton Keynes Dons 28 12 7 9 39 31 8 43 12 Crewe Alexandra 29 12 7 10 36 37 -1 43 13 Leyton Orient 30 13 4 13 33 36 -3 43 14 Crawley Town 28 12 6 10 37 40 -3 42 15 Stevenage 27 11 7 9 34 37 -3 40 16 Carlisle United 29 10 6 13 36 50 -14 36 17 Preston North End 29 8 11 10 38 38 0 35 18 Shrewsbury Town 31 7 13 11 33 38 -5 34 19 Colchester United 29 8 5 16 30 46 -16 29 20 Oldham Athletic 30 7 6 17 29 44 -15 27 21 Bury 29 5 11 13 29 42 -13 26 22 Scunthorpe United 29 6 8 15 29 49 -20 26 23 Portsmouth 29 5 6 18 32 52 -20 21 24 Hartlepool United 29 4 7 18 25 51 -26 19 How things can change quickly...top of the league now in non league, 3rd in the league in the Premiership. Now the old interview style question "Where do you see Oldham Athletic in 5 years time? ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: Think these lists highlight the importance of recruiting good players, without those you are nothing. Fair point but we have some excellent players this season and still sit in 20th so its probably a combination of both, for a good few years any player or manager showing an ounce of ability has been cashed in and generally for bottom dollar, hopefully that is about to change and with a new man at the helm we may be able hold on to our better players and managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Aaaaanyway. Tonights games. Come on Gillingham and Blackburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesidg Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: How things can change quickly...top of the league now in non league, 3rd in the league in the Premiership. Now the old interview style question "Where do you see Oldham Athletic in 5 years time? ". And only 8 of those teams are in league one this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 So on balance do we consider it a success that we are still in this league OR a failure that we are still in this league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Compared with some of those teams mentioned you could say both. Personally I'm glad we have not been relegated and trust AL will now get us promotion during his time here which I hope is long and successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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