GlossopLatic Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, mcfluff1985 said: It's personal choice and always should be. So why did you choose to get vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Just now, GlossopLatic said: So why did you choose to get vaccinated? The vaccine would apparently stop me getting extremely ill. It won't stop me passing it on or getting it. Why are players (or anyone else) who choose not to get it selfish? Curious on the answer to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Why so? Because refusing a vaccination that dramatically reduces your chances of becoming seriously ill is idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Just now, Magic Mikey said: Because refusing a vaccination that dramatically reduces your chances of becoming seriously ill is idiotic. Do you scoff at smokers and sneer at fat people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: The vaccine would apparently stop me getting extremely ill. It won't stop me passing it on or getting it. Why are players (or anyone else) who choose not to get it selfish? Curious on the answer to that Because refusing to get vaccinated increases your chances of spreading the virus and giving it other people. The world's leading scientists agree what makes you think you know more than them? Freedom comes at a price if having a qualified medical person vaccinating me with a drug that's been approved by the world's leading scientists then I'm quite happy to pay that price and those that choose not too should have their freedoms restricted. Back to the point unvaxcinated players will probably find it harder to get a move in January and I hope most clubs don't sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Because refusing to get vaccinated increases your chances of spreading the virus and giving it other people. The world's leading scientists agree what makes you think you know more than them? Freedom comes at a price if having a qualified medical person vaccinating me with a drug that's been approved by the world's leading scientists then I'm quite happy to pay that price and those that choose not too should have their freedoms restricted. Back to the point unvaxcinated players will probably find it harder to get a move in January and I hope most clubs don't sign them. Concentration camps for the unvaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Being vaccinated doesn't stop you getting it, or passing it on so... Reduces the chances though. Seriously how do people still not get this?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, dannyboy55555 said: Reduces the chances though. Seriously how do people still not get this?! Never said it didn't reduce. It doesn't stop it though. So you feel people should be forced to have it as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Never said it didn't reduce. It doesn't stop it though. So you feel people should be forced to have it as well? Don't think anyone should be forced to do anything no - still think its pretty selfish not to however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Do you scoff at smokers and sneer at fat people? Ha ha! Lose an argument so change the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, Magic Mikey said: Ha ha! Lose an argument so change the subject. Lost nothing. You're saying people are thick for not getting it as it reduces their chance of illness. So on the exact same subject, not a different one, of people looking after their health, I assume you call fat people thick for not losing weight to reduce their chance of becoming seriously ill? If you don't, why not? It's exactly the same thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Lost nothing. You're saying people are thick for not getting it as it reduces their chance of illness. So on the exact same subject, not a different one, of people looking after their health, I assume you call fat people thick for not losing weight to reduce their chance of becoming seriously ill? If you don't, why not? It's exactly the same thing! It's someone's personal choice to smoke. It was banned in indoor public places though - because it damages the health of other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Lost nothing. You're saying people are thick for not getting it as it reduces their chance of illness. So on the exact same subject, not a different one, of people looking after their health, I assume you call fat people thick for not losing weight to reduce their chance of becoming seriously ill? If you don't, why not? It's exactly the same thing! Addiction is different to choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Lost nothing. You're saying people are thick for not getting it as it reduces their chance of illness. So on the exact same subject, not a different one, of people looking after their health, I assume you call fat people thick for not losing weight to reduce their chance of becoming seriously ill? If you don't, why not? It's exactly the same thing! Why are you doing this? You cannot possibly believe the arse gravy above. WTF have my opinions on smoking and obesity got to do with why a significant number of professional footballers are refusing to get vaccinated? Someone thought selfishness. I think they might be stupid. Why do you think they're making that choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Lost nothing. You're saying people are thick for not getting it as it reduces their chance of illness. So on the exact same subject, not a different one, of people looking after their health, I assume you call fat people thick for not losing weight to reduce their chance of becoming seriously ill? If you don't, why not? It's exactly the same thing! lf somebody is a fat cunt and they don't lose weight then great, bully for them. Technically there are stretches of selfishness involved, but it's manageable. But we both know theyre are loadsa fatties out there who would give almost anything if two jabs could make them healthy again. lf somebody is unvaccinated they are increasing everybody elses chances of becoming infected and forcing health professionals to spend longer under extreme pressure in groundhog day. Ergo- selfish cunt. lf somebody wants to ignore the science and pose selfish questions online then theyre an obtuse cunt. lf somebody selfishly avoids the vaccine and then goes online to argue it out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Rather surprised there's only one Covidiot in here tbh, thought it would be higher than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: Rather surprised there's only one Covidiot in here tbh, thought it would be higher than that. So someone jabbed saying other people should be able to make their own mind up is a covidiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 9 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Concentration camps for the unvaccinated? Yeah thats exactly what I meant. Jesus christ have you ever been right about anything in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Yeah thats exactly what I meant. Jesus christ have you ever been right about anything in your life. You said they should have their freedoms restricted. How far should we go in restricting them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: lf somebody is a fat cunt and they don't lose weight then great, bully for them. Technically there are stretches of selfishness involved, but it's manageable. But we both know theyre are loadsa fatties out there who would give almost anything if two jabs could make them healthy again. lf somebody is unvaccinated they are increasing everybody elses chances of becoming infected and forcing health professionals to spend longer under extreme pressure in groundhog day. Ergo- selfish cunt. lf somebody wants to ignore the science and pose selfish questions online then theyre an obtuse cunt. lf somebody selfishly avoids the vaccine and then goes online to argue it out.. I'm loving this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 'But this is the worst kind of discrimination, discrimination against me !' Re-opened thread and merged, so people can steer clear if they so wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 9 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Concentration camps for the unvaccinated? Slippery slope argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Matt said: Slippery slope argument. Genuine question. If poster says freedoms should be restricted then the next question is which freedoms. Need an end point. From no restrictions to concentration camps or prison, where do people draw the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Genuine question. If poster says freedoms should be restricted then the next question is which freedoms. Need an end point. From no restrictions to concentration camps or prison, where do people draw the line? Good question, and there's a genuine answer. What's the likelihood that will happen? We can discuss certain curtailments until things get better (let's call this point A) without heading full pelt towards - as you put it - concentration camps (let's call this point Z). What is the likelihood that we will move from point A to point Z though all of the points in between? We can work that out - even if all the points in between (B to Y) are 99% certain to happen it's around 78% probability. Hardly a certainty. (0.99 to the power of 25 I think). If moving from point A through to point Z is 90% (still very certain)? - drops to 7% certainty - so the drawing of the line should be somewhere around A, and not Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Genuine question. If poster says freedoms should be restricted then the next question is which freedoms. Need an end point. From no restrictions to concentration camps or prison, where do people draw the line? My freedom to drive at 100mph is restricted. Where will this end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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