TheBigDog Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 If I respect your right to not have a jab then please respect my right to bar you from certain events due to you not having been vaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Genuine question. If poster says freedoms should be restricted then the next question is which freedoms. Need an end point. From no restrictions to concentration camps or prison, where do people draw the line?  I mean it's a big jump to say have a few restrictions on freedoms straight to mass genocide but you know most people capable of intelligent thought can see that.  41 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: If I respect your right to not have a jab then please respect my right to bar you from certain events due to you not having been vaccinated.  Something like that plus a few travel restrictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:  I mean it's a big jump to say have a few restrictions on freedoms straight to mass genocide but you know most people capable of intelligent thought can see that.   Something like that plus a few travel restrictions I donât like comparisons with Nazi Germany and COVID as I donât they come close to being near. However itâs always worth noting that the Holocaust didnât start with gas chambers - it started with a power crazed lunatic and âa few restrictions on freedoms for someâ  I wouldnât trust the (scruffy) power crazed lunatic we have in charge not to escalate as much as he could in any quarter  Iâm triple jabbed and advise anyone else to do the same though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said:  I mean it's a big jump to say have a few restrictions on freedoms straight to mass genocide but you know most people capable of intelligent thought can see that.   Something like that plus a few travel restrictions  This is how it begins: https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of-events/1933-1938 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, frizzell54 said: Â This is how it begins: https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of-events/1933-1938 Â I'm aware why facism rose in Europe in the 1930's its why I think anyone who compares it to Covid in 2021 hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Â I'm aware why facism rose in Europe in the 1930's its why I think anyone who compares it to Covid in 2021 hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. Nothing to do with COVID, it's about intolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, frizzell54 said: Nothing to do with COVID, it's about intolerance. Itâs about controlling infection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.O.JONES Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 For those who refuse to be inoculated for whatever reason, fine that is their choice, I can only hope that they don't catch Covid but if they do, I hope that they would be consistent enough to also refuse treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, C.O.JONES said: For those who refuse to be inoculated for whatever reason, fine that is their choice, I can only hope that they don't catch Covid but if they do, I hope that they would be consistent enough to also refuse treatment. So people who choose to smoke, people who are overweight through their own fault, should they also refuse treatment if they become ill because of the choices they have made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Pidge said: Itâs about controlling infection! Look at the intolerance of the unvaccinated from many people. The government and media saying this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.  The spread of Typhus was blamed on the Jews back in the day and there was a lot of propaganda to push that narrative back then.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 hours ago, TheBigDog said: If I respect your right to not have a jab then please respect my right to bar you from certain events due to you not having been vaccinated. If its your event or your business, then you could refuse. Should the government make that decision over business owners? If a night club owner chooses to allow unvaccinated then the vaccinated can choose if they also want to attend. Surely that is a better way than the government deciding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said:  I mean it's a big jump to say have a few restrictions on freedoms straight to mass genocide but you know most people capable of intelligent thought can see that.   Something like that plus a few travel restrictions What travel restrictions? Banned from public transport? Banned from being a certain distance from your house? Banned from going to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Just get the vaccine, donât be a knob, not to hard really is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, frizzell54 said: Nothing to do with COVID, it's about intolerance.  Yes its very much about covid that's the topic of the thread or didn't you read that?  When people have been presented with the facts, and don't pay attention and make up their own narrative, because they have the arrogance to think they know better based, on no evidence whatsoever. Then I'm sorry I'm not very tolerant of people like that, particularly when they play the victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 34 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Look at the intolerance of the unvaccinated from many people. The government and media saying this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.  The spread of Typhus was blamed on the Jews back in the day and there was a lot of propaganda to push that narrative back then.   Its nature  Why do folk think weâre different than all other species on the planet  Disease comes to take the weak out of the species In our case, the sick and elderly, the unhealthy and folk not able to grasp innovation and be vaccinated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, tGWB said: Its nature  Why do folk think weâre different than all other species on the planet  Disease comes to take the weak out of the species In our case, the sick and elderly, the unhealthy and folk not able to grasp innovation and be vaccinated Are you suggesting they shouldnât get vaccinated as natural selection is the order of things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.O.JONES Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said: So people who choose to smoke, people who are overweight through their own fault, should they also refuse treatment if they become ill because of the choices they have made? I think you'll find a slight difference between people choosing tabs or food to a viral pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: What travel restrictions? Banned from public transport? Banned from being a certain distance from your house? Banned from going to work?  You've not read anything I said. The discussion is now becoming hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 I wish I knew if people are genuinely concerned about discrimination or intolerance and have been advocating equality in society generally - or they are only bothered about intolerance because it's suddenly happening to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlion Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, tGWB said: Its nature  Why do folk think weâre different than all other species on the planet  Disease comes to take the weak out of the species In our case, the sick and elderly, the unhealthy and folk not able to grasp innovation and be vaccinated Not in the case of Spanish Flu a hundred years or so ago. That savaged the young, the fit and the healthy. But in general I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Matt said: I wish I knew if people are genuinely concerned about discrimination or intolerance and have been advocating equality in society generally - or they are only bothered about intolerance because it's suddenly happening to them. I didnât vote Tory if that helps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Matt said: I wish I knew if people are genuinely concerned about discrimination or intolerance and have been advocating equality in society generally - or they are only bothered about intolerance because it's suddenly happening to them. I think we know the answer to that one, a large percentage of the population couldn't give a shit until it affects them. In my younger years I would genuinely not be arsed by things that didn't affect me, fortunately with age I changed my outlook. I'm still far from the finished article though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Matt said: I wish I knew if people are genuinely concerned about discrimination or intolerance and have been advocating equality in society generally - or they are only bothered about intolerance because it's suddenly happening to them. This doesn't affect me, but it affects plenty of others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 hours ago, C.O.JONES said: I think you'll find a slight difference between people choosing tabs or food to a viral pandemic. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Are you suggesting they shouldnât get vaccinated as natural selection is the order of things? As far as I am aware, everyone has been offered vaccinations  With Freedom comes Choice  With Choice comes Consequence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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