Londonboy Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Interested to know what everyone thinks about us getting/needing a Director of Football? Mo doesn't count as he was just a fucking dick, however it's my view that we need someone who is well respected and connected, to go and find the right players to get in on loan, and make decisions Sheridan is not qualified enough to do. We can't afford to bring in the wrong players and Shez isn't well enough connected anymore to the big clubs to get the decisions right. Maybe that's what Big Joe will do when the sale goes through. Personally I think it's must if we are to have any chance of competing next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Londonboy said: Interested to know what everyone thinks about us getting/needing a Director of Football? Mo doesn't count as he was just a fucking dick, however it's my view that we need someone who is well respected and connected, to go and find the right players to get in on loan, and make decisions Sheridan is not qualified enough to do. We can't afford to bring in the wrong players and Shez isn't well enough connected anymore to the big clubs to get the decisions right. Maybe that's what Big Joe will do when the sale goes through. Personally I think it's must if we are to have any chance of competing next season. Needs to be someone with a club philosophy leading what they do if you go all in. Right through from youths to first team. All playing the same way, always players that fit in. Needs more than just one guy ringing people he knows, would need a lot of planning. Works for some clubs. Normally higher up. Could work for us given the right infrastructure and investment. They also need a manager that fits with the decided philosophy of they want to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I don't think it's down to Sheridans contacts or him not being qualified enough I think he has plenty in the game and who could help get us players. Theirs no evidence that Royle will be DOF I imagine he doesn't fancy it his role will be less hands on abit like Ferguson at United now sits on the board but doesn't do much day to day but is a sounding board for advice. I suppose it's the changing role of the manager really as they are more likely to get out on the Grass coaching rather than sat in their office looking for players these days they leave that to the Director of Football. When Royle was manager he left the coaching aspect more to Willie. A DOF allows a manager to concentrate more on managing the team rather than spend time looking for players. So they can be useful I think if you have a good DOF then a manager can just slot in underneath them. The Managers role is hard enough so having a DOF help them isn't a bad thing it just needs someone competent to do it. Whether you need one in practice for a league 5 club is debatable at best and probably not needed in reality. But I don't think we can do it with just Shez and Tommy I think they will need other help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 How many Directors of Football in Division 5 then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: How many Directors of Football in Division 5 then? Yeah at this level there's no need and it's just a waste of a wage. If you don't think the manager has got what it takes in terms of recruitment, he shouldn't be manager.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: How many Directors of Football in Division 5 then? You make a fair point....and not many I guess. However it worked for Stockport last season who were one of the few with that structure in place, and they also had a good manager to work with him. Doesn't mean it couldn't work for us, or even a Head of Recruitment type position? BP might fancy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Looking at Wrexham they don't have one but Phil Parkinson does have a fairly large backroom staff for a club at this level. Wrexham Staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said: Needs to be someone with a club philosophy leading what they do if you go all in. Right through from youths to first team. All playing the same way, always players that fit in. Needs more than just one guy ringing people he knows, would need a lot of planning. Works for some clubs. Normally higher up. Could work for us given the right infrastructure and investment. They also need a manager that fits with the decided philosophy of they want to play Spot on. In that structure the DOF must come first, as they will set the philosophy and identity. They will also be a constant when coaches come and go, therefore any incoming coach must be willing to work with them. In our current situation (even if the person was highly credible,) can anyone imagine Shez working with a DOF. . . because I can’t. So if we were to do it, I’d see happening next summer, and only if and when Shez leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 10 hours ago, League one forever said: Spot on. In that structure the DOF must come first, as they will set the philosophy and identity. They will also be a constant when coaches come and go, therefore any incoming coach must be willing to work with them. In our current situation (even if the person was highly credible,) can anyone imagine Shez working with a DOF. . . because I can’t. So if we were to do it, I’d see happening next summer, and only if and when Shez leaves. Darren Royle maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 12 hours ago, yarddog73 said: How many Directors of Football in Division 5 then? Not many without looking it up. But I think we are the only club where the manager's #2 can't be involved in transfers, so we need someone to help Shez in that regard. Doesn't have to be a Director of Football per se, but an extra pair of hands, ears and eyes is probably needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I did look last year and over half of L2 clubs had one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Not many without looking it up. But I think we are the only club where the manager's #2 can't be involved in transfers, so we need someone to help Shez in that regard. Doesn't have to be a Director of Football per se, but an extra pair of hands, ears and eyes is probably needed. He's got Glyn Snodin hasn't he...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 You'd have to get the manager/DOF relationship spot on, otherwise it isn't going to work. It's not worth the hassle of trying to get that right. Nothing wrong with keeping it old school - let the manager set-up a scouting network and let him alone live by the signings he makes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 There's definitely a place for it in the modern game, can't imagine for one minute a dinosaur like Sheridan adapting to and embracing it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: There's definitely a place for it in the modern game, can't imagine for one minute a dinosaur like Sheridan adapting to and embracing it though. Dinosaur? Nah, Old School maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Dinosaur? Nah, Old School maybe. Semantics. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Dinosaur? Nah, Old School maybe. He called himself a dinosaur when he did the Undr The Cosh podcast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Lee Sinnott said: He called himself a dinosaur when he did the Undr The Cosh podcast... Dinosaurs once ruled the earth didn't they? Extinction was no fault of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Enrique Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I think a DOF makes sense in the long term, but hard to see it working when a DOF is appointed with a manager / head coach already in place. FWIW Joe Royle wouldn't be DOF for me. With respect to Joe, a DOF needs to be someone with a strong view about how football will develop going forward. And in our case, someone with a great working knowledge of the lower and non-leagues. And data and analytics. I love Joe, and I love Shez. But I imagine some time in the not too distant future we will have younger, more progressive thinkers in charge of the football side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: Dinosaurs once ruled the earth didn't they? Extinction was no fault of their own. Clipboardgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, BP1960 said: Dinosaurs once ruled the earth didn't they? Extinction was no fault of their own. Should've got out of the way of that big asteroid if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, BP1960 said: Dinosaurs once ruled the earth didn't they? Extinction was no fault of their own. Quite, the same won't be said when our species finally departs And it will be a damn site shorter reign than the reptiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, BP1960 said: Dinosaurs once ruled the earth didn't they? Extinction was no fault of their own. failed to adapt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: failed to adapt... They did before the blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, doctor evil said: Should've got out of the way of that big asteroid if you ask me. One of them saw it coming and shouted "did you think it saw us?" but the others just said "no, he's over here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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