wiseowl Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 hours ago, ShireBlue said: One thing I find really weird though is this “Everton mob” rhetoric I’ve read in a few places. It’s almost like some fans can’t wait to get the knives out with the people running the club. Guilty of the first. Not the second. "Ex Everton mob" or such phrases is my way of expressing the undoubted nepotism which was at play when recruiting our "management team". I was as excited as everyone else when all was first announced. Then I witnessed (home and away for many matches) the style of play/results and did some research on DU - it wasn't encouraging from some very knowledgeable people. I`ve since not seen anything to suggest DU will ever take us where we need to be. I genuinely hope I am proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 33 minutes ago, wiseowl said: Guilty of the first. Not the second. "Ex Everton mob" or such phrases is my way of expressing the undoubted nepotism which was at play when recruiting our "management team". I was as excited as everyone else when all was first announced. Then I witnessed (home and away for many matches) the style of play/results and did some research on DU - it wasn't encouraging from some very knowledgeable people. I`ve since not seen anything to suggest DU will ever take us where we need to be. I genuinely hope I am proved wrong. What's your definition of "where we need to be"? For me the only place we "need" to be in the short term is back in the EFL. Based on results so far in 2023 and performances of the last 2 or 3 weeks, I think Unsworth has shown improvement enough to suggest that with further improvement and squad additions we can challenge for promotion next season. If he can achieve that but no more then I'll consider it job done. Someone else can kick us on after that if needs be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, nzlatic said: What's your definition of "where we need to be"? For me the only place we "need" to be in the short term is back in the EFL. Based on results so far in 2023 and performances of the last 2 or 3 weeks, I think Unsworth has shown improvement enough to suggest that with further improvement and squad additions we can challenge for promotion next season. If he can achieve that but no more then I'll consider it job done. Someone else can kick us on after that if needs be. Agree with you regarding back in EFL must be the first and foremost aim. I don't think he'll get us back to the EFL - Like I say, I genuinely hope I`m wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 There is of course the possibility that we will recruit well over the summer and DU will still not be able to get the results for a promotion push. Though we are also assuming that we'll be able to attract the right calibre of players in the right positions. I think the Board will stand by their man and will do their best to support him in strengthening the squad, but whether he has what it takes to deliver a promotion-winning team is another matter entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted April 15, 2023 Author Share Posted April 15, 2023 So our record currently reads W2 D4 L1 since I started this thread and safety is all but mathematically assured. Wrexham is an understandable blip but we have been at least competitive in every other game. That said, today sums up the issue I have with Unsworth. After two recent home games where we drop points very late on, we look to sit back again and be cautious in a game that didn't really warrant it. I don't expect us to win every game 4-0 and at a canter, but next season we can't afford to make games like this self-inflicted hard work. Did Rooney really need to be taken off with 30 mins to go? It's such a defensive minded move in a game that didn't require it. Unsworth still has a lot to prove next season. I hope he does but I'm not confident that he will. I hope the next three games provide something to get excited about going into next season at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, the_mighty_bosh said: I hope the next three games provide something to get excited about going into next season at least. It’s a bit late for that, I think what you see’s what you get. The brake’s aren’t on at all, I’m fairly sure this is all this team is capable of…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Yet another game where you just think ‘fill your boots lads, they’re shit and there’s plenty of goals to be had.’ An early goal (which looked well offside to me) and a Green and Reid looking lively early on, then nothing. We grind out a 1-0 win against one of the worst sides I’ve ever seen and I came away feeling flat after a win yet again. And why can’t we have a couple of youngsters on the bench who we can blood now, instead of bringing on Gardner, Hope and Chapman, none of whom will surely be here next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, Steve_R said: instead of bringing on Gardner, Hope and Chapman, none of whom will surely be here next year I wouldn’t bet on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Steve_R said: Gardner, Hope and Chapman, none of whom will surely be here next year I'd keep Hope. The other two I'd happily see never play for us again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 5 hours ago, the_mighty_bosh said: So our record currently reads W2 D4 L1 since I started this thread and safety is all but mathematically assured. Wrexham is an understandable blip but we have been at least competitive in every other game. That said, today sums up the issue I have with Unsworth. After two recent home games where we drop points very late on, we look to sit back again and be cautious in a game that didn't really warrant it. I don't expect us to win every game 4-0 and at a canter, but next season we can't afford to make games like this self-inflicted hard work. Did Rooney really need to be taken off with 30 mins to go? It's such a defensive minded move in a game that didn't require it. Unsworth still has a lot to prove next season. I hope he does but I'm not confident that he will. I hope the next three games provide something to get excited about going into next season at least. We need to off load too many past their sell by date players at this level.The football has been dire all season even with our recent form and crowds will dwindle unless we start the season with fast flowing football and far more attack minded than this dull boring season has been.I can only hope that Unsworth has learnt lessons!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Attendance one of the lowest of the season on a decent day weather wise...not a good sign the pay on the day fans can't be arsed. Sounds like the performance did nothing to encourage them to go Tuesday. Be lucky to get 5500 I think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Flemboy said: We need to off load too many past their sell by date players at this level.The football has been dire all season even with our recent form and crowds will dwindle unless we start the season with fast flowing football and far more attack minded than this dull boring season has been.I can only hope that Unsworth has learnt lessons!! This. We have Leutwiler, Francis-Angol, J Clarke, Maynard, McGahey, Hope, Gardner, Porter still listed in the first team squad who have/need to be released. Windass, Stobbs and Burgess are out on loan and maybe should not be coming back. Our loanees in: Chapman, Sambou and Abraham should return to their clubs. P Clarke I would explore some sort of coaching role for him at the club if he was interested. Then there’s Tollit and Luamba who may also be surplus to requirements. If we total up that little lot, we get up to 16 (SIXTEEN) players who might not be at the club come August… it’s more likely to be 10-12 but that’s still a high number. WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceskylatic Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: This. We have Leutwiler, Francis-Angol, J Clarke, Maynard, McGahey, Hope, Gardner, Porter still listed in the first team squad who have/need to be released. Windass, Stobbs and Burgess are out on loan and maybe should not be coming back. Our loanees in: Chapman, Sambou and Abraham should return to their clubs. P Clarke I would explore some sort of coaching role for him at the club if he was interested. Then there’s Tollit and Luamba who may also be surplus to requirements. If we total up that little lot, we get up to 16 (SIXTEEN) players who might not be at the club come August… it’s more likely to be 10-12 but that’s still a high number. WOW My guess is Tollit, Chapman and Hope will be here next season and the rest binned. DU mentioned at the fans forum that Tollit will be here at the start of next season when questioned about his recent omissions. A few months ago DU said he was looking at trying to sort out deals for 1 or 2 of the loanees, Chapman being mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlion Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Flemboy said: We need to off load too many past their sell by date players at this level.The football has been dire all season even with our recent form and crowds will dwindle unless we start the season with fast flowing football and far more attack minded than this dull boring season has been.I can only hope that Unsworth has learnt lessons!! That's the worry for me, can our Dave learn ? Or is he too set in his ways ? Or can he learn ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flemboy Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 2 hours ago, TheBigDog said: This. We have Leutwiler, Francis-Angol, J Clarke, Maynard, McGahey, Hope, Gardner, Porter still listed in the first team squad who have/need to be released. Windass, Stobbs and Burgess are out on loan and maybe should not be coming back. Our loanees in: Chapman, Sambou and Abraham should return to their clubs. P Clarke I would explore some sort of coaching role for him at the club if he was interested. Then there’s Tollit and Luamba who may also be surplus to requirements. If we total up that little lot, we get up to 16 (SIXTEEN) players who might not be at the club come August… it’s more likely to be 10-12 but that’s still a high number. WOW I'd keep Hope since he was scoring and doing runs pre that Chesterfield thug ruined what could have been a decent total.Clarke I'd keep on in the squad for his vast experience. Tollitt I'd keep in the squad as well.The rest can go.Id rather have quality not a quantity of average players which at best would stick us mid table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Londonboy said: Attendance one of the lowest of the season on a decent day weather wise...not a good sign the pay on the day fans can't be arsed. Sounds like the performance did nothing to encourage them to go Tuesday. Be lucky to get 5500 I think.... Meaningless game, end of Easter holidays, Grand National on. A decent attendance in the circumstances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 3 hours ago, TheBigDog said: This. We have Leutwiler, Francis-Angol, J Clarke, Maynard, McGahey, Hope, Gardner, Porter still listed in the first team squad who have/need to be released. Windass, Stobbs and Burgess are out on loan and maybe should not be coming back. Our loanees in: Chapman, Sambou and Abraham should return to their clubs. P Clarke I would explore some sort of coaching role for him at the club if he was interested. Then there’s Tollit and Luamba who may also be surplus to requirements. If we total up that little lot, we get up to 16 (SIXTEEN) players who might not be at the club come August… it’s more likely to be 10-12 but that’s still a high number. WOW If Chapman stays is that really the standard we are setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, BP1960 said: If Chapman stays is that really the standard we are setting? If Chapman stays we have to ask some serious questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Londonboy said: Attendance one of the lowest of the season on a decent day weather wise...not a good sign the pay on the day fans can't be arsed. Sounds like the performance did nothing to encourage them to go Tuesday. Be lucky to get 5500 I think.... They brought about 11 as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 2 hours ago, redlion said: That's the worry for me, can our Dave learn ? Or is he too set in his ways ? Or can he learn ? No. Yes. No. Next season will be exactly the same style but with better players. Better players who will be asked to hold on for a win when they go in front. Better players who will be asked to keep in shape at all costs. Better players who will be inexplicably Subbed after an hour. I think we’ll improve in the league table, and finish top half. But I don’t think his cautious defensive style is good enough for the playoffs- unless you pay stupid money for players which I don’t want or expect. 10th -12th for me, and allowed to see out his final year for showing ‘progress.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, League one forever said: No. Yes. No. Next season will be exactly the same style but with better players. Better players who will be asked to hold on for a win when they go in front. Better players who will be asked to keep in shape at all costs. Better players who will be inexplicably Subbed after an hour. I think we’ll improve in the league table, and finish top half. But I don’t think his cautious defensive style is good enough for the playoffs- unless you pay stupid money for players which I don’t want or expect. 10th -12th for me, and allowed to see out his final year for showing ‘progress.’ If the league had started in January we would be in 7th place apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said: They brought about 11 as well 56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: If Chapman stays is that really the standard we are setting? In my opinion, he hasn’t shown enough to warrant any further time at BP. If he is coming back on a permanent deal it will be a strange decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: If the league had started in January we would be in 7th place apparently But it didn’t. . so. . Joking aside- I take your point. I had a look at the league table yesterday and I think 7th was something like 12 points in front of us. When you think about another four wins over the season, It seems very attainable and doable. Then I immediately remind myself that we’ve lost 17 points this season from winning positions. . . and there in lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCLongsuffeting Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: If the league had started in January we would be in 7th place apparently but it started in August sorry, just being as pedantic as the person who told me football wasn’t played on paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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