Littlemoor Lad Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Boyyou said: Seems the winter of discontent has lasted about 12 months for some. It's been ongoing and doesn't look like stopping for a good while, some have no choice through circumstances but others can't have any complaints about what they've brought on themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: I'd be surprised if he makes the bench I'd hope he doesn't. Was awful against Southend. It wasn't a red card so no issue with the sending off but he gets beat by his man constantly, whether RB or CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 35 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: I'd be surprised if he makes the bench Shouldn't have got himself sent off then. It's a competitive world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsEddie Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 18 hours ago, doctor evil said: I don't think we did much more than that with the ball. I guess we probably need more detailed stats but I'd imagine our pass success rate dramatically decreased as we move out of our third of the pitch. This is all the info I can get from Wyscout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Shouldn't have got himself sent off then. It's a competitive world You mean like Nuttall at Soutport? Straight back after his ban with 4 other forwards in the queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: You mean like Nuttall at Soutport? Straight back after his ban with 4 other forwards in the queue. He wasn't banned for three league games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: You mean like Nuttall at Soutport? Straight back after his ban with 4 other forwards in the queue. Not sure he'd thank anyone for playing on Saturday - he's a forward (some would add "at best" but I've not seen enough to say). It was painfully obvious he was out of place in a winger type role last weekend and to his credit he didn't give up. He may be slower or more languid than we'd like, but there's a lot of players out there we've had, or have, who wouldn't have worked up and down the flank like he did. Can't really blame him for being out of sorts there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Ackey said: Not sure he'd thank anyone for playing on Saturday - he's a forward (some would add "at best" but I've not seen enough to say). It was painfully obvious he was out of place in a winger type role last weekend and to his credit he didn't give up. He may be slower or more languid than we'd like, but there's a lot of players out there we've had, or have, who wouldn't have worked up and down the flank like he did. Can't really blame him for being out of sorts there. I'm happy with Nuttall his overall contribution has been one of the big positives and he deserves his spot in the team, not popular opinion but his assists alone have been invaluable, after about Saturday but he kept at it, I'd of been tempted to start Reid where he played but can understand why he was asked to do that job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: I'm happy with Nuttall his overall contribution has been one of the big positives and he deserves his spot in the team, not popular opinion but his assists alone have been invaluable, after about Saturday but he kept at it, I'd of been tempted to start Reid where he played but can understand why he was asked to do that job. l also would start Reid in that position. for however much l rate Nuttall if we play 433 he can only play central. and he was doing every week until we signed Norwood. Willoughby Norwood Reid for me on sat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 9 hours ago, LaticsEddie said: This is all the info I can get from Wyscout So yeah as soon as we do anything other than pass the ball backwards it drops to a pretty poor level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 8 hours ago, doctor evil said: So yeah as soon as we do anything other than pass the ball backwards it drops to a pretty poor level. anybody who needs stats to tell them that isn't overly into the Foitballing part of going to the Football!!!! if they work for us on the Footballing side and they need stats to see that then they are stealing a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: anybody who needs stats to tell them that isn't overly into the Foitballing part of going to the Football!!!! if they work for us on the Footballing side and they need stats to see that then they are stealing a living. Does nothing that can't be seen with the human eye. Managers are stats obsessed and robotic players not allowed think for themselves. Latics legends like Bobby Johnstone and Alan Groves would have ignored them and done their own thing...entertaining fans at the same time. Glad I was a dinosaur before I was wiped off the scouting earth, great days. Edited August 23, 2023 by BP1960 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Does nothing that can't be seen with the human eye. Managers are stats obsessed and players not allowed think for themselves anymore. Latics legends like Bobby Johnstone and Alan Groves would have ignored them and done their own thing...entertaining fans at the same time. Glad I was a dinosaur before I was wiped off the scouting earth, great days. whilst l agree with you mostly l do view a stats department as an essential part of a succesful modern coaching set up. its important not to go too far the reliance on said stats tho. that second sentence is probably indicative as to why l don't work in a stats dept at a Football club. despite my obvious appetite for the sport and possessing the relevant mental disorders to potentially get excited by numbers!!! just to clarify l merely have Aspergers. l do not masturbate over mathematical textbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: whilst l agree with you mostly l do view a stats department as an essential part of a succesful modern coaching set up. its important not to go too far the reliance on said stats tho. that second sentence is probably indicative as to why l don't work in a stats dept at a Football club. despite my obvious appetite for the sport and possessing the relevant mental disorders to potentially get excited by numbers!!! just to clarify l merely have Aspergers. l do not masturbate over mathematical textbooks. What I saw at Chesterfield was a typical robotic set up, which broke down when players malfunctioned in not marking as programmed at a set piece resulting on an opposition goal. Another player malfunctioned when without thinking hit a shot on target from which we scored during the following mechanical breakdown choas. Tales of the Unexpected springs to mind. Edited August 23, 2023 by BP1960 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, BP1960 said: What I saw at Chesterfield was a typical robotic set up, which broke down when players malfunctioned in not marking as programmed at a set piece resulting on an opposition goal. Another player malfunctioned when without thinking hit a shot on target from which we scored during the following mechanical breakdown choas. Tales of the Unexpected springs to mind. lno and thats what is keeping me in Unsworths camp in that his idea is higher up than what the current XI can execute. when l say 'the XI' l mean one area currently lets us down. two players, possibly one, changes that for me. what you see as robotic l see as structured bc lm young and naiive!!!! also possibly wrong. despite potential appearances to the contrary l never actually rule that prospect out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 No stats on earth could have been produced to tell the club to keep buying rightfooted centrehalfs or have five or six strikers on the books when we play two up top at the most, maybe we need some stats for the recruitment department as we still don't have a midfielder who can play football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: No stats on earth could have been produced to tell the club to keep buying rightfooted centrehalfs or have five or six strikers on the books when we play two up top at the most, maybe we need some stats for the recruitment department as we still don't have a midfielder who can play football. well we do but one is injured and the other is too old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1onheartNew Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Monty Burns said: whilst l agree with you mostly l do view a stats department as an essential part of a succesful modern coaching set up. its important not to go too far the reliance on said stats tho. that second sentence is probably indicative as to why l don't work in a stats dept at a Football club. despite my obvious appetite for the sport and possessing the relevant mental disorders to potentially get excited by numbers!!! just to clarify l merely have Aspergers. l do not masturbate over mathematical textbooks. It's refreshing to know that you do not have a rhombus in your pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, L1onheartNew said: It's refreshing to know that you do not have a rhombus in your pants. l see what ya did there!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Monty Burns said: well we do but one is injured and the other is too old. To be fair Gardner did okay on Saturday, he nearly got caught in possession a couple of times but that is purely down to him having little options on the ball as his fellow midfielders were stood on our own goal line. Got an assist as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: To be fair Gardner did okay on Saturday, he nearly got caught in possession a couple of times but that is purely down to him having little options on the ball as his fellow midfielders were stood on our own goal line. Got an assist as well Gardner is our best midfielder. He can be slow on the ball and does lose possession more than he should. But he looks to play forward and at least try’s to create something. Gardner losing the ball occasionally is no different to Sheron and Shelton continuously pumping it up field to the centre backs head. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: He can be slow on the ball and Slow!! Are you serious? In my opinion he’s anything but slow, in fact every time he gets it he looks like he’s been plugged into the electric socket!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: Slow!! Are you serious? In my opinion he’s anything but slow, in fact every time he gets it he looks like he’s been plugged into the electric socket!!! You've obviously not seen one of his "Cruyff turns"! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: Slow!! Are you serious? In my opinion he’s anything but slow, in fact every time he gets it he looks like he’s been plugged into the electric socket!!! He can be slow to release the ball sometimes. That’s what leads to him losing possession. Usually it’s because he’s trying to find a forward ball but all the players are either not moving or behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: To be fair Gardner did okay on Saturday, he nearly got caught in possession a couple of times but that is purely down to him having little options on the ball as his fellow midfielders were stood on our own goal line. Got an assist as well yes that defo counts as an assist ld be claiming that its on target and dipping so difficult to catch impossible to plam over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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