HarryBosch Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If we maintain the last two games form and finish strongly and/or get into the playoffs it would seem wrong for DH not to keep the job. But, how much of it is down to him and how much is down to TP? Or luck? Even if continues to do well you wonder what kind of signings he'd be able bring in or attract compared to a "bigger" name manager. That said - Gerrard, Sadler & Woodland do bode well in this regard.... If he gets us up does he automatically keep it or is it a case of the Championship being too much to ask even moreso with his lack of experience of or preparation for full time management? Where does the point come that SC can say that although he originally had no intention of keeping him he'd be daft to not let him carry on producing the results? 42.8% win ratio.
WIZZO83 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 A miracle.............if he gets us in the playoffs the job is his other than that Dean should be part of the new setup but that is all
sjk2008 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Gets us up - he stays, and rightly so. Gets us in the playoffs - Hard call to make. Wouldn't begrudge him getting a deal for next season. Anywhere below playoffs - get someone else in.
oafc_lover Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If he gets us a playoff spot from the position we were in 2 weeks ago, he has to keep the job IMO. If we cruise to the finish line and are mid table, he has done what was asked of him and we appoint the new man.
Latics_Fanatic Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If he gets us in the play-off's, i'd give it him. Would he an unbelievable achievement, especially the way the first few games went for him. I believe that he is just a short-term appointment and we'll see a man coming in at the end of May/start of June.
Keepingthe Faith Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Win lose or draw more evidence that the TEAM want to play for him..............I have good view of the technical area from my seat TP's man management skills are a very obvious positive influence on the team and Holden
Laticsbiffo Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Gets us up - he stays, and rightly so. Gets us in the playoffs - Hard call to make. Wouldn't begrudge him getting a deal for next season. Anywhere below playoffs - get someone else in. I was asking myself the same question last night as I watch the FAIL fans streaming out, and came tot he same conclusion as sjk2008, except that I would give him the deal if he reached the play offs.
Twisbrogan Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Five more wins and then back him with an experienced assistant (or two). (Having said that, if we win the next two I know I'll get carried away and demand that he gets a 5 year deal) Edited March 25, 2015 by Twisbrogan
Lee Sinnott Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I'd give him the job if it meant that Mark Yates doesn't get it...
palmer1 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 An upswing occured when TP joined him. If that run continues until the season end fantastic but TP wont want it next year. A experienced asistant would be a massive factor for me on if Holden gets it for longer but would it work as well as it is now? if not, Holden would be on a hiding to nothing and the fans would turn in a second.
GlossopLatic Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 A strong finish to the season plus an experienced number 2 in with him whether that's Tony P or someonelse. But at the moment I'd be inclined to look elsewhere.
MAC0AFC Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If Tony Philliskirk is by his side and we end the season in the play offs thats how I'd like to see us next season. Tony Philliskirk from what we all know up to now, doesnt want to be involved which is fair enough so it's a new man for me.
NewBlue Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) A good run of result doesn't warrant the job. It is statistically probable that your results will improve with a new manager for a short period. Many clubs make the mistake of appointing a caretaker because of one upturn of form then when they have settled there is no improvement. He could get us promoted and I would want a new manager. Or at least I would make him apply and go through the same interview process that every other applicant endures. Edited March 25, 2015 by NewBlue
bigfatjoe1 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 BBC again quoting SC as saying that Dowie has not been ruled out. Suggests it's up to Dowie and whether he is prepared to work with a small budget.
Stevie_J Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If he gets us in the playoffs, you have to give him the job. But that won't happen. I'd like to see us bring in someone who would create at least a flicker of excitement - like Dowie or Ritchie - but that won't happen either. I don't think Corney was remotely serious about giving the job to either Scholes or Dowie. Keith Hill would be great but Corney would never (i) pay compensation to bring him in, or (ii) recruit someone who's so far from being a yes man. So, given that the strong likelihood is that it'll be a young, unproven nobody, it might as well be Holden as anyone else.
singe Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 It's intereting, I am a big TP fan, so am sure some is him. But some is down to Deano's loan signings. Plus a tough call being made keeping Coleman in the side, credit for that. Given the timings, and his efforts with a horrendous injury list. We still ahve half a side of first teamers out don't forget, he'd deserve it IMHO.
singe Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If he gets us in the playoffs, you have to give him the job. But that won't happen. I'd like to see us bring in someone who would create at least a flicker of excitement - like Dowie or Ritchie - but that won't happen either. I don't think Corney was remotely serious about giving the job to either Scholes or Dowie. Keith Hill would be great but Corney would never (i) pay compensation to bring him in, or (ii) recruit someone who's so far from being a yes man. So, given that the strong likelihood is that it'll be a young, unproven nobody, it might as well be Holden as anyone else. Keith who? !
Forte_Baby Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 My worry is i have seen this before with manager if he can get us a top 10 finish then he defo has staked a claim to the job. However been seen in the past where once in full control it all goes wrong then back to square one all over again.
PlayItLivo Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Gets us in the playoffs - Hard call to make. Wouldn't begrudge him getting a deal for next season. Not a hard call to make at all. If Dean Holden was to take this lot into the playoffs with the injuries we've sustained and all the :censored: we've put up with this season, not only should he get a 10 year contract, we should name the new stand after him! There's not a person alive on this planet who can justify a manager not being good enough to manage Oldham having achieved the rare feat of playoff finish. Who the :censored: do we think we are? That would be a miracle! Edited March 25, 2015 by PlayItLivo
LaticsPete Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Surely a Lg 1 manager had to have skill on Player identification Player recruitment Man management Coaching and tactics Not sure if Dean can tick all the boxes - or persuade the directors that he will be able to
NJ33 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 man management - the players all seemed to run to him on Saturday. coaching and tactics - he has done his badges player identification and recruitment - he has recruited 3 players, two of which have been part of a defence keeping two clean sheets in a row and the other got mom last night, not a bad record. keith hill was the youth coach at dale when they gave him a shot and that didnt turn out too bad for them
LaticsPete Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 man management - the players all seemed to run to him on Saturday. coaching and tactics - he has done his badges player identification and recruitment - he has recruited 3 players, two of which have been part of a defence keeping two clean sheets in a row and the other got mom last night, not a bad record. keith hill was the youth coach at dale when they gave him a shot and that didnt turn out too bad for them Don't disagree with some of what you say but there's a difference between emergency loanees and building a squad for longer term I think
Lags Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I should hope to God the club have already lined the new manager up, given we had all those applications. Also that Deano knows this and also knows his future as coach is secure.
UpTheLatics Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 If Holden has us finishing in the top six come the end of the season, he would have done something Lee Johnson failed to do: found a way for the team to achieve consistent results. Even a three-match winning run eluded Johnson for the majority of his period in charge. A top-six finish and Holden has to be rewarded with a permanent contract. Owt less and Corney, dependant on the manner in which we conclude the season, has to make a difficult decision. For me, if we were to continue our inconsistency I'd want a new name.
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