yarddog73 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 What about Alnwick on Tuesday night did he make mistakes? Didn't go but off the Sky highlights he flapped at a couple of crosses and gave away a penalty, it happens and generally keepers mistakes are punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You can't defend the indefensible. Cornell is just that. (That doesn't justify abuse, either). It's also wrong to characterise it as either pro-Coleman or pro-Cornell. Most accept neither are up to scratch at the current moment to be an adequate League 1 keeper. Moaning about moaning then repeating the prevailing mood as though it's uncommon... Coleman has made countless errors in the last 3 games alone and has cost us 2 goals, Now I agree that Cornell became a joke at times but how long can you defend Coleman before he becomes indefensable because if it wasnt for Shez and the players finally picking up we would still be losing due to keeper errors. Also dont forgot Coleman now has Gerrard there to organise the defence. Cornell had a defence intent on conceding ridiculous goals. or is that it? Coleman gets more time because the players who didnt bail Cornell out are now picking up points? Individual errors can be ignored if we dont lose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I am more concerned about goalkeeping techniques these days where the ball bounces off the chest rather than cleanly taken, and the tendency to flap at crosses. It's not just our keepers, you see it in general, even at top level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) For me, Coleman showed enough last season in a difficult situation to say that he's a promising keeper and worth the time to develop him and for him to make some mistakes, be it this season or next. I actually thought that Cornell was adequate earlier on in the season. The odd blunder yes, but a decent shot stopper too. Trouble is that the blunders increased and got worse as he went on, culminating in the Colchester error which threw away 2 crucial points and a home win for us. These blunders unsettled the defence which badly affected the team. If Cornell does get another chance it'll be interesting to see if he improves with the guidance of Gerrard and Shirtliff or if he is so bad that he unsettles the current defence that has been doing well. But Coleman has currently shown more promise and Cornell has four years on him plus a long time in the academy of a Premier League team. Cornell has the much better pedigree and if he was good enough I feel that he would be holding down the keeper spot fairly comfortably this season. Edited February 25, 2016 by the_mighty_bosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I don't think Coleman made an error for their goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I don't think Coleman made an error for their goal. You're in a minority of 1 then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Coleman has made countless errors in the last 3 games alone and has cost us 2 goals, Now I agree that Cornell became a joke at times but how long can you defend Coleman before he becomes indefensable because if it wasnt for Shez and the players finally picking up we would still be losing due to keeper errors. Also dont forgot Coleman now has Gerrard there to organise the defence. Cornell had a defence intent on conceding ridiculous goals. or is that it? Coleman gets more time because the players who didnt bail Cornell out are now picking up points? Individual errors can be ignored if we dont lose? Coleman only plays on the basis that Cornell is unplayable, in the bad sense of the word. I see it currently as though we've only got one keeper available. Very few people are defending Coleman. They are simply saying we have no alternative, and Shez seems to think that way too. Some need to get it out of their head that it's about Coleman v Cornell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You're in a minority of 1 then. Make that 2! I think if he manages to tip that over the bar it goes down as a good piece of instinctive goalkeeping. There's no way he should be expected to anticipate that ball coming in like it does - it's quite clearly meant to be a cross. Just a bit unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Make that 2! I think if he manages to tip that over the bar it goes down as a good piece of instinctive goalkeeping. There's no way he should be expected to anticipate that ball coming in like it does - it's quite clearly meant to be a cross. Just a bit unlucky. I didn't realise it was even open for debate. He lets a ball travel 40 yards through the air and over his head whilst completely unchallenged and with a clear sight-line. I'll not get in to who should/should not play as I don't see enough of the games. But that goal is his fault, that's just a fact. So; 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Coleman only plays on the basis that Cornell is unplayable, in the bad sense of the word. I see it currently as though we've only got one keeper available. Very few people are defending Coleman. They are simply saying we have no alternative, and Shez seems to think that way too. Some need to get it out of their head that it's about Coleman v Cornell... I defend Coleman. He will turn out to be a very good keeper but is having a few confidence issues at the moment. It was definately a cock-up the other night. He should have handled the cross/shot much better and palmed it over the bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I didn't realise it was even open for debate. He lets a ball travel 40 yards through the air and over his head whilst completely unchallenged and with a clear sight-line. I'll not get in to who should/should not play as I don't see enough of the games. But that goal is his fault, that's just a fact. So; 3. 2-1 actually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 To be fair to the keepers, even though I don't think either are good enough for us this season, we've conceded the lowest number of goals away in League One, 13 in 16 games. Let's just pretend our home form doesn't count... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) I didn't realise it was even open for debate. He lets a ball travel 40 yards through the air and over his head whilst completely unchallenged and with a clear sight-line. I'll not get in to who should/should not play as I don't see enough of the games. But that goal is his fault, that's just a fact. So; 3. Still not sure I agree. He's expecting a cross towards the men arriving into the box. So when the ball is whipped in, he's on his toes, and immediately moves towards where he's expecting the ball to end up in an attempt to claim it. He then has to backtrack rapidly when it becomes apparent that the ball's looping unexpectedly in a different direction, and almost manages to tip it over the bar. I'd say it's more luck on the part of the attacker than a mistake by him. (I'd also question why James Wilson's stood static on the edge of the six yard box instead of tracking his man in case of a rebound...) Edited February 25, 2016 by OneSizeFitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Still not sure I agree. He's expecting a cross towards the men arriving into the box. So when the ball is whipped in, he's on his toes, and immediately moves towards where he's expecting the ball to end up in an attempt to claim it. He then has to backtrack rapidly when it becomes apparent that the ball's looping unexpectedly in a different direction, and almost manages to tip it over the bar. I'd say it's more luck on the part of the attacker than a mistake by him. (I'd also question why James Wilson's stood static on the edge of the six yard box instead of tracking his man in case of a rebound...) Wilson, I agree with you. However, "Whipped" and "Rapidly" I do not - that ball floats in, I just watched it back and it's at least 1.5 seconds of air time. As I say, I'm not looking to have him dropped or anything melodramatic. But that goal is his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Make that 2! I think if he manages to tip that over the bar it goes down as a good piece of instinctive goalkeeping. There's no way he should be expected to anticipate that ball coming in like it does - it's quite clearly meant to be a cross. Just a bit unlucky. Can't agree with that. He should have caught that ball. Easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSizeFitz Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Wilson, I agree with you. However, "Whipped" and "Rapidly" I do not - that ball floats in, I just watched it back and it's at least 1.5 seconds of air time. As I say, I'm not looking to have him dropped or anything melodramatic. But that goal is his fault. Perhaps. We can agree to disagree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Coleman only plays on the basis that Cornell is unplayable, in the bad sense of the word. I see it currently as though we've only got one keeper available. Very few people are defending Coleman. They are simply saying we have no alternative, and Shez seems to think that way too. ...or maybe people can't be arsed to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Coleman only plays on the basis that Cornell is unplayable, in the bad sense of the word. I see it currently as though we've only got one keeper available. Very few people are defending Coleman. They are simply saying we have no alternative, and Shez seems to think that way too. Some need to get it out of their head that it's about Coleman v Cornell... I'm not sure anybody has said its Coleman vs Cornell however despite your view they are our 2 keepers & when a new manager comes in players get a clean slate. I replied directly to someone who argued that Coleman should get a break because he came through the youth team. Mistakes are mistakes & Coleman cannot carry on like he is or Cornell may get a fresh start from Shez. Some are saying that the Peterborough goal wasnt a mistake? Coleman got back on his line and got a full hand on the ball in an attempt to put the ball over the bar. He had time to adjust & catch or even punch the ball away, either way he should have cleared the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Well he certainly thought he'd made an error - just look at him in the aftermath. I saw no sign at all of the desperately poor distribution which I'm told has been a feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Make that 2! I think if he manages to tip that over the bar it goes down as a good piece of instinctive goalkeeping. There's no way he should be expected to anticipate that ball coming in like it does - it's quite clearly meant to be a cross. Just a bit unlucky. That was a standard catch or palm over at worst, the ball was in the air for a fair while and he was under no pressure. In the end he didn't get enough on the ball to send it over the bar. He's been very fortunate not to let one or two soft goals in lately, I just hope he can eradicate the silly errors as we cannot afford any more soft goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I think Cornell suffered from the situation too. Because we couldn't win at all and things were so desperate, he was getting labelled with blunders that were hardly that. I forget who it was against but there was a cross he reached full stretch for, tipped it away but it went straight to a striker and they scored. Could he have done better? Maybe. But it was hardly a blunder, yet he was crucified for it. Also, with Cornell although he's older had he played that many more league games than Coleman at the start of the season? Not sure but I don't think he was much more experienced in terms of league starts. I wouldn't change things though. We're winning so no need to rock the boat at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It can happen to some of the best; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Coleman only plays on the basis that Cornell is unplayable, in the bad sense of the word. I see it currently as though we've only got one keeper available. Very few people are defending Coleman. They are simply saying we have no alternative, and Shez seems to think that way too. Some need to get it out of their head that it's about Coleman v Cornell... Unlike his predecessor Shez has also come up with the novel idea of trying to get us to score at least 2 goals as often as possible on the basis Coleman might well throw one in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 It can happen to some of the best; Cheers BP that clip led me on to Beckham v. Greece. The best 45 minute performance I have ever witnessed behind that goal (in the cesspit) with my son! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 That was a standard catch or palm over at worst, the ball was in the air for a fair while and he was under no pressure. In the end he didn't get enough on the ball to send it over the bar. He's been very fortunate not to let one or two soft goals in lately, I just hope he can eradicate the silly errors as we cannot afford any more soft goals. For me the mistakes he makes are mainly down to poor positioning of his feet - he is often caught on his heels with crosses which contributes to the mistakes. Work on that and he will cut out many of the howlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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