kowenicki Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Dave_Og said: Other clubs still involved. West Ham is one if memory serves Is it around agents fees? Transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, kowenicki said: Is it around agents fees? Transfers? No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 See Bury are in the process of creating a ‘Bury Heritage’ which will result in the ground, land and all history and belongings will be owned by the Heritage and ring fenced so no matter who owns the club they can’t mess them around like the amigos have done with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, adamoafc said: See Bury are in the process of creating a ‘Bury Heritage’ which will result in the ground, land and all history and belongings will be owned to the Heritage so no matter who owns the club they can’t mess them around like the amigos have done with us. Who owns it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, adamoafc said: See Bury are in the process of creating a ‘Bury Heritage’ which will result in the ground, land and all history and belongings will be owned by the Heritage and ring fenced so no matter who owns the club they can’t mess them around like the amigos have done with us. I thought they had plans for a new stadium away from Gigg lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: Who owns it now? Steve Dale I think. He’s been on tv tonight going over it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I am unsure if we the only EFL club in this unique situation. We have an owner of the football club, we have a seperate landlord. Two different business adventures. on one site Does having both together under one umbrella (i won't say one owner as I believe we need more than one), make us a better business proposition? The complete/whole package so to speak? There are fan owned clubs out there and fans/businesses who want to "buy in" to their club. (See Supporters Direct website). I am going to throw this wildly out there and to test the water. Q) If the opportunity came up. What would make you invest as a fan (fundraising maybe) or if you are a business person, into professional football in the borough of Oldham? A) Shares in the club only b ) Shares in the land only c) Both if they were one package Cheers Edit: additional part. Hypothetical like....if one of the two came up, which one would be the better business proposition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The set up as it stands at BP should be against the laws. Splitting the club and inventing brassbank was one of the very first things TTAsset strippers did and instantly set me against them. At the time l was surprised it was even allowed and now l can see why a young me was so outspoken on the issue. Stunned AL even bought us, absolute mad man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Raise 10 million and the whole lot is yours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: The set up as it stands at BP should be against the laws. Splitting the club and inventing brassbank was one of the very first things TTAsset strippers did and instantly set me against them. At the time l was surprised it was even allowed and now l can see why a young me was so outspoken on the issue. Stunned AL even bought us, absolute mad man. I agree, the decision to buy the football club in the present arrangement looks plain crazy and AL’s sanity should be questioned but we don’t really know all the facts do we? There may some sort of a deal in place for AL to purchase the land and stand at a later date, maybe at a set price. It may be that it has always been AL’s intention to move the club away from BP which would allow Blitz & Gazal to develop the site for housing etc? Granted, It would need huge investment, but AL could already have that in place. The thing is...we really don’t know do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: I agree, the decision to buy the football club in the present arrangement looks plain crazy and AL’s sanity should be questioned but we don’t really know all the facts do we? There may some sort of a deal in place for AL to purchase the land and stand at a later date, maybe at a set price. It may be that it has always been AL’s intention to move the club away from BP which would allow Blitz & Gazal to develop the site for housing etc? Granted, It would need huge investment, but AL could already have that in place. The thing is...we really don’t know do we? People own clubs without owning the land/ground, it’s not unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, deyres42 said: Raise 10 million and the whole lot is yours... your probably not wide of the mark there...the whole package that is. But if one came up, which one of the two would be better investment?...hypothetical that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, underdog said: your probably not wide of the mark there...the whole package that is. But if one came up, which one of the two would be better investment?...hypothetical that is I guess the better investment would be the land. The club could then buy it back at sometime in the future when it's in a better position than it is now, and it would be secure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longlostfan Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I'm not sure a stake in a lower league club can ever really be an investment. How many L1/L2 clubs have made a profit 4 years on the trot? Not many I would guess. I think you could make a paper case for chucking in a fortune to move up the leagues and cash out when you hit the Premier but that looks more like a gamble than an investment. At our level, if we take ALs £200k a month claim at face value then it looks like £10 million down and £2.4 million a year recurring expense. That's an expensive hobby not an investment. Given the opaque nature of the ownership and allocation of revenue streams you'd have to be loaded and/or mad to invest. If 'everything' was a single entity- so absolute clarity on ownership, revenue streams and expenses you'd still have to really really want to back a club. maybe that £2.4 mill a year might be a bit more or less if you could make non match day revenues etc but it would still be a bit rich for most of us. I don't understand why there isn't more done with the North stand.- whoever owns it- it could do more for a bit more spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, Longlostfan said: I'm not sure a stake in a lower league club can ever really be an investment. How many L1/L2 clubs have made a profit 4 years on the trot? Not many I would guess. I think you could make a paper case for chucking in a fortune to move up the leagues and cash out when you hit the Premier but that looks more like a gamble than an investment. At our level, if we take ALs £200k a month claim at face value then it looks like £10 million down and £2.4 million a year recurring expense. That's an expensive hobby not an investment. Given the opaque nature of the ownership and allocation of revenue streams you'd have to be loaded and/or mad to invest. If 'everything' was a single entity- so absolute clarity on ownership, revenue streams and expenses you'd still have to really really want to back a club. maybe that £2.4 mill a year might be a bit more or less if you could make non match day revenues etc but it would still be a bit rich for most of us. I don't understand why there isn't more done with the North stand.- whoever owns it- it could do more for a bit more spend. Re North stand....hypothetical like and with the recent GM Spartial framework back on the agenda and a need for housing, a change to the landlords business adventure? Housing. Would now be the time to look at pushing the housing build as much as you can around BP. Especially, if you had previous planning permission? Hypothetical like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, jorvik_latic said: People own clubs without owning the land/ground, it’s not unusual. True but I wonder what percentage of those the Council / other local authority own the land/ground? Think our situation where the ground / land is owned by another corporation is very rare and possibly unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoytonLatics Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, rudemedic said: True but I wonder what percentage of those the Council / other local authority own the land/ground? Think our situation where the ground / land is owned by another corporation is very rare and possibly unique. I think the Ricoh owned by a third party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, RoytonLatics said: I think the Ricoh owned by a third party? Not a good example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbaneblue Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 8 hours ago, underdog said: I am unsure if we the only EFL club in this unique situation. We have an owner of the football club, we have a seperate landlord. Two different business adventures. on one site Does having both together under one umbrella (i won't say one owner as I believe we need more than one), make us a better business proposition? The complete/whole package so to speak? There are fan owned clubs out there and fans/businesses who want to "buy in" to their club. (See Supporters Direct website). I am going to throw this wildly out there and to test the water. Q) If the opportunity came up. What would make you invest as a fan (fundraising maybe) or if you are a business person, into professional football in the borough of Oldham? A) Shares in the club only b ) Shares in the land only c) Both if they were one package Cheers Edit: additional part. Hypothetical like....if one of the two came up, which one would be the better business proposition? Ideally C but if not available then B, no value in football club shares on their own unless you know of a sheikh willing to plough billons in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Valentine Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 21 hours ago, rudemedic said: True but I wonder what percentage of those the Council / other local authority own the land/ground? Think our situation where the ground / land is owned by another corporation is very rare and possibly unique. Port Vale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkleking Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 23 hours ago, rudemedic said: True but I wonder what percentage of those the Council / other local authority own the land/ground? Think our situation where the ground / land is owned by another corporation is very rare and possibly unique. West Ham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sparkleking said: West Ham? Isnt West Ham owned by London authority (or something akin to that)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkleking Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Isnt West Ham owned by London authority (or something akin to that)? Something like that. Olympic Legacy something something. I think West Ham are the tenants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Sparkleking said: Something like that. Olympic Legacy something something. I think West Ham are the tenants. The E20 STADIUM LLP. The London Stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 1:25 PM, rudemedic said: True but I wonder what percentage of those the Council / other local authority own the land/ground? Think our situation where the ground / land is owned by another corporation is very rare and possibly unique. on supporters Direct....AFC Telford. Born from liquidation. The council were determined to keep a football club within the borough. The council took over the freehold of the ground re-negotiated with the bank that had taken over in liquidation and bought the stadium back. So the council owned the stadium, ground and surrounding land. So it can happen, now if only our land was for sale hypothetically like....(well everythings for sale so they say)....would you as a fan/business/council help to buy the land BP sits on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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