Dave_Og Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: You get paid obscene amounts of money You are picked to play for your country Surely it’s not much to ask that you put in some effort? My problem with England is that they are afraid to play - and that’s down to the coaching staff I reckon. Didn't watch it. My international interest is restricted to tournaments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: Didn't watch it. My international interest is restricted to tournaments Never had you down as a Love Island man, Dave... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Don't blame him. It's ridiculous to be playing this many internationals at this time of year Rubbish, they dont know what work is, ask double shift NHS frontline staff on a fraction of what they get for a 90 minutes game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Rubbish, they dont know what work is, ask double shift NHS frontline staff on a fraction of what they get for a 90 minutes game. My partner has done 40 years nursing. But the comparison is of zero relevance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: My partner has done 40 years nursing. But the comparison is of zero relevance. It's obscene the money players are on in comparison, but I'm old school when players were on maximum wage and earned it. I've no time for 'tired' footballers, they get plenty of rest in between games. Edited June 15, 2022 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 48 minutes ago, BP1960 said: It's obscene the money players are on in comparison, but I'm old school when players were on maximum wage and earned it. I've no time for 'tired' footballers, they get plenty of rest in between games. It's very simple. Do you want to see the best players there are produce their best play regularly over the long term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlion Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Dave_Og said: It's very simple. Do you want to see the best players there are produce their best play regularly over the long term? At Boundary Park ? Hell Yeah ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 15 hours ago, BP1960 said: It's obscene the money players are on in comparison, but I'm old school when players were on maximum wage and earned it. I've no time for 'tired' footballers, they get plenty of rest in between games. Maximum Wage was abolished in 1961 . Not all players received even that. It was despicable exploitation of working men. Whether top players today “deserve” enormous wages is completely different . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 54 minutes ago, LaticsPete said: Maximum Wage was abolished in 1961 . Not all players received even that. It was despicable exploitation of working men. Whether top players today “deserve” enormous wages is completely different . Absolutely - to hark back to those circumstances as some sort of golden age is rose tinted glasses on a scale of many. many times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/15/2022 at 1:32 PM, Dave_Og said: Didn't watch it. My international interest is restricted to tournaments The Nations League is a tournament and at the moment given the group we are in a pretty serious one. I've been a fan of Southgate but regardless of what I accept was the manic scheduling of 4 games in 10 days at the end of the season, he has handled these fixtures badly. Nine changes for a must-win home game v Hungary, yet still no place for Grealish, who is one of our few players who can unlock a defence, as he showed in the 20 or so minutes he was allowed v Germany. How on earth does Bowen get in ahead of him? Why put Reece James, whose left foot appears to be largely for standing on, at left back? Really poor tactics and selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Worcester Owl said: The Nations League...serious one....must-win Does. not. compute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Worcester Owl said: The Nations League is a tournament and at the moment given the group we are in a pretty serious one. I've been a fan of Southgate but regardless of what I accept was the manic scheduling of 4 games in 10 days at the end of the season, he has handled these fixtures badly. Nine changes for a must-win home game v Hungary, yet still no place for Grealish, who is one of our few players who can unlock a defence, as he showed in the 20 or so minutes he was allowed v Germany. How on earth does Bowen get in ahead of him? Why put Reece James, whose left foot appears to be largely for standing on, at left back? Really poor tactics and selection. There's no avoiding that its a world cup warm up. More by circumstance than design I didn't watch any of it although having said that I haven't watched any football at all since we went down. Whether the interest will return is far from certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) World cup semi final, European championship final. Before that not got past the quarters in anything since 1966. He's earned the right to go for another tournament. Edit - That should be 1996 of course, not 1966. I didn't forget at all about 1990 and 1996 Edited June 16, 2022 by nzlatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, nzlatic said: World cup semi final, European championship final. Before that not got past the quarters in anything since 1966. He's earned the right to go for another tournament. But it's shit to watch, arguably bottled it in the final when we went 1-0 up and spends too much time trying to preach to everyone and getting involved in politics, your right about earning the right but I'd like to see someone like Potter or Howe given a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: spends too much time trying to preach to everyone and getting involved in politics What on earth has that got to do with anything? On the football, which is all that should matter, we bottled it in the world cup semi but then went one step further next time out. I'd like to see more attacking play but when I look at that central defence I can see why he tends to be more cautious. He's not perfect and not beyond criticism but he's transformed the England team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, nzlatic said: He's not perfect and not beyond criticism but he's transformed the England team. From a team that won nowt to a team that won nowt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: From a team that won nowt to a team that won nowt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Southgate got us to a semi-final and a final in the last two major tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: But it's shit to watch, arguably bottled it in the final when we went 1-0 up and spends too much time trying to preach to everyone and getting involved in politics, your right about earning the right but I'd like to see someone like Potter or Howe given a go. I'm ignoring the politics comment. Potter - OK reasonable linking him to the England job. Howe- Massively overrated by anyone linking him to the England job. He's good when he had money to spend, which is most of his time at Bournemouth who overspent and got lucky to get promoted to the PL. Then when in the PL he overspent on dross from Liverpool's and Chelsea's reserves and quit before he was relegated. Yes he did well in 5 months at Newcastle and I expect him to continue that run because he has money to spend. The FA should try to get the best manager they can for the England job, Eddie Howe isn't that manager. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rudemedic said: I'm ignoring the politics comment. Potter - OK reasonable linking him to the England job. Howe- Massively overrated by anyone linking him to the England job. He's good when he had money to spend, which is most of his time at Bournemouth who overspent and got lucky to get promoted to the PL. Then when in the PL he overspent on dross from Liverpool's and Chelsea's reserves and quit before he was relegated. Yes he did well in 5 months at Newcastle and I expect him to continue that run because he has money to spend. The FA should try to get the best manager they can for the England job, Eddie Howe isn't that manager. I personally think Howe will come unstuck next year once he has the money not too dissimilar to Royle (yes an FA Cup with Everton) but he's always been best as an underdog manager polishing jewels rather than spending mad amounts Edited June 16, 2022 by Chaddyexile84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: I personally think Howe will come unstuck next year once he has the money not too dissimilar to Royle (yes an FA Cup with Everton) but he's always been best as an underdog manager polishing jewels rather than spending mad amounts The hierarchy at Newcastle will get rid of Howe as soon as they lose 4 on the bounce, he did a job for them last season, but they will want a Mourinho type in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 As it stands, the next manager would be Lampard or Gerrard. Potter is a sensible choice, and I think Cooper is a really good manager, but I think the FA would go for a higher profile figure. Of course, it'll all be different in 12 months (or less if we have a bad World Cup, which looks likely at the moment). Then again, the FA thought it was a good idea to give the job to Sam Allardyce, so maybe Sean Dyce should start polishing his cv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonboy Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 4 hours ago, nzlatic said: World cup semi final, European championship final. Before that not got past the quarters in anything since 1966. He's earned the right to go for another tournament. Edit - That should be 1996 of course, not 1966. I didn't forget at all about 1990 and 1996 He probably has results wise, although he has had unbelievably lucky draws, and does have the most talented squad of players in my memory at his disposal. It doesn't cover over the cracks in his tactical and coaching ability though. We are 4 months from a WC and he doesn't know his best shape or who his starting 11 is. He has no vision, is a zero risk taker, doesn't have a winning mentality and seems to ignore and punish and the likes of Grielish, Madison, and Foden regularly. But he's a nice bloke apparently so crack on! Nailed on we lose in the QFs on pens after drawing 0 0 with someone like Denmark. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 He’s a lucky manager, not many of them around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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