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32 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

On the plus side it looks like we've fucked off the numpty Mo from recruitment, bodes well going forward.

I'm not sure about that. DMaarms and others -cough- have posted a pic of what looks like Mo having dinner with the CEO of George Blackwood's agents, who are massive. Incidentally, the same agent as Zak Dearnley.

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1 hour ago, Ritchierich said:

In his imedia Q&A, HK said quite clearly that he was head coach and that recruitment was separate although of course he was involved but for me the inference was pretty much that he was consulted but not responsible

 

 

Id actually much prefer it if the Manager wasn't solely in charge of our recruitment. Im happy to have a sporting Director with a team of scouts and analysts and the Manager being delegated that task as a collective. Thats how its done these days and is more often than not a successful model. That type of interference Im comfortable with.

 

The problem is our sporting director so far has pissed so much money up the wall and at any other club would have been binned off by now.

 

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2 hours ago, Ritchierich said:

In his imedia Q&A, HK said quite clearly that he was head coach and that recruitment was separate although of course he was involved but for me the inference was pretty much that he was consulted but not responsible

 

What is often forgotten is that Managers/Head Coaches are just middle managers . In what other industry would we expect key decisions to be made by middle managers....involve and consult for sure but you would not delegate responsibility to them

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16 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said:

What is often forgotten is that Managers/Head Coaches are just middle managers . In what other industry would we expect key decisions to be made by middle managers....involve and consult for sure but you would not delegate responsibility to them

Bollocks. They are top level management in respect of football. 

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30 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said:

So a (Sporting )Director is below a (Sporting ) Manager? Bollocks ....who sacks the manager ?.....the Manager is at best Head of Department

It varies, and not that black and white.

In an owner/manager situation, where the owner owns the majority of the shares the manager is sacked by the owner and the manager is a senior employee as Dave says.

In an owner/Board with shareholders/manager situation, the owner will decide but the Board will be consulted, and the manager is still ultimately sacked by the owner but still very senior and could still influence contractual details

In a Board /Sporting Director/Head Coach I think you're point is more valid, basically the Sporting Director field the responsbility and governance of the Department instead of the owner, and is responsible for the manager. This will be more the case as companies like VSI and their MSC in Sports Directorship establish best practice and copy the model in Europe. He wouldn't get involved in the contractual details of the player. More Performance Directors that could be applied to other sports.

Our problem is fairly unique in that our Sporting Director has none of the leadership skills or experience for the role and is only in the role through nepotism. It would be different if he was a neutral, independent or previously experienced person. He is not being left to manage/recruit the entire Sporting Department including the coaches, Academy etc.

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6 minutes ago, singe said:

It varies, and not that black and white.

In an owner/manager situation, where the owner owns the majority of the shares the manager is sacked by the owner and the manager is a senior employee as Dave says.

In an owner/Board with shareholders/manager situation, the owner will decide but the Board will be consulted, and the manager is still ultimately sacked by the owner but still very senior and could still influence contractual details

In a Board /Sporting Director/Head Coach I think you're point is more valid, basically the Sporting Director field the responsbility and governance of the Department instead of the owner, and is responsible for the manager. This will be more the case as companies like VSI and their MSC in Sports Directorship establish best practice and copy the model in Europe. He wouldn't get involved in the contractual details of the player. More Performance Directors that could be applied to other sports.

Our problem is fairly unique in that our Sporting Director has none of the leadership skills or experience for the role and is only in the role through nepotism. It would be different if he was a neutral, independent or previously experienced person. He is not being left to manage/recruit the entire Sporting Department including the coaches, Academy etc.

I agree .....in any business you are stuffed if the Exec Directors are incompetent but doesn’t alter the concept that football managers/ head coaches are not  at the top of the food chain and that key strategic decisions are not theirs to take

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11 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said:

So a (Sporting )Director is below a (Sporting ) Manager? Bollocks ....who sacks the manager ?.....the Manager is at best Head of Department


Heads of department hire and fire their teams in my company.

 

the Managing Director hires and fires the Heads of Departments 

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22 hours ago, singe said:

I'm not sure about that. DMaarms and others -cough- have posted a pic of what looks like Mo having dinner with the CEO of George Blackwood's agents, who are massive. Incidentally, the same agent as Zak Dearnley.

Having dinner in a nice restaurant with his cap on!!

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On 9/6/2020 at 9:15 PM, Behind Closed Doors said:

So a (Sporting )Director is below a (Sporting ) Manager? Bollocks ....who sacks the manager ?.....the Manager is at best Head of Department

Head of THE department. There are exceptions but the vast majority of businesses with a totally dominant owner who doesn't find appropriate senior managers and trust them to do their job will fail. 

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1 hour ago, Dave_Og said:

Head of THE department. There are exceptions but the vast majority of businesses with a totally dominant owner who doesn't find appropriate senior managers and trust them to do their job will fail. 

Indeed and that is why middle manager Kewell’s Senior Director and line manager  Mo is such a problem

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37 minutes ago, Gary1906 said:

Can we get back on track please? I keep checking in thinking we’ve got some more transfer news and you’re still arguing about who’s head of what?!?!? 😕

If you want to start getting the conversation back on track feel free.  Any transfer news? 

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