Behind Closed Doors Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Blackwood signs and now he signs Plays in Rowe’s position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Just now, Behind Closed Doors said: Plays in Rowe’s position? Read into that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 On the plus side it looks like we've fucked off the numpty Mo from recruitment, bodes well going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: On the plus side it looks like we've fucked off the numpty Mo from recruitment, bodes well going forward. I'm not sure about that. DMaarms and others -cough- have posted a pic of what looks like Mo having dinner with the CEO of George Blackwood's agents, who are massive. Incidentally, the same agent as Zak Dearnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 In his imedia Q&A, HK said quite clearly that he was head coach and that recruitment was separate although of course he was involved but for me the inference was pretty much that he was consulted but not responsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Ritchierich said: In his imedia Q&A, HK said quite clearly that he was head coach and that recruitment was separate although of course he was involved but for me the inference was pretty much that he was consulted but not responsible Id actually much prefer it if the Manager wasn't solely in charge of our recruitment. Im happy to have a sporting Director with a team of scouts and analysts and the Manager being delegated that task as a collective. Thats how its done these days and is more often than not a successful model. That type of interference Im comfortable with. The problem is our sporting director so far has pissed so much money up the wall and at any other club would have been binned off by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Ritchierich said: In his imedia Q&A, HK said quite clearly that he was head coach and that recruitment was separate although of course he was involved but for me the inference was pretty much that he was consulted but not responsible What is often forgotten is that Managers/Head Coaches are just middle managers . In what other industry would we expect key decisions to be made by middle managers....involve and consult for sure but you would not delegate responsibility to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: What is often forgotten is that Managers/Head Coaches are just middle managers . In what other industry would we expect key decisions to be made by middle managers....involve and consult for sure but you would not delegate responsibility to them Bollocks. They are top level management in respect of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Bollocks. They are top level management in respect of football. So a (Sporting )Director is below a (Sporting ) Manager? Bollocks ....who sacks the manager ?.....the Manager is at best Head of Department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, Behind Closed Doors said: So a (Sporting )Director is below a (Sporting ) Manager? Bollocks ....who sacks the manager ?.....the Manager is at best Head of Department It varies, and not that black and white. In an owner/manager situation, where the owner owns the majority of the shares the manager is sacked by the owner and the manager is a senior employee as Dave says. In an owner/Board with shareholders/manager situation, the owner will decide but the Board will be consulted, and the manager is still ultimately sacked by the owner but still very senior and could still influence contractual details In a Board /Sporting Director/Head Coach I think you're point is more valid, basically the Sporting Director field the responsbility and governance of the Department instead of the owner, and is responsible for the manager. This will be more the case as companies like VSI and their MSC in Sports Directorship establish best practice and copy the model in Europe. He wouldn't get involved in the contractual details of the player. More Performance Directors that could be applied to other sports. Our problem is fairly unique in that our Sporting Director has none of the leadership skills or experience for the role and is only in the role through nepotism. It would be different if he was a neutral, independent or previously experienced person. He is not being left to manage/recruit the entire Sporting Department including the coaches, Academy etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, singe said: It varies, and not that black and white. In an owner/manager situation, where the owner owns the majority of the shares the manager is sacked by the owner and the manager is a senior employee as Dave says. In an owner/Board with shareholders/manager situation, the owner will decide but the Board will be consulted, and the manager is still ultimately sacked by the owner but still very senior and could still influence contractual details In a Board /Sporting Director/Head Coach I think you're point is more valid, basically the Sporting Director field the responsbility and governance of the Department instead of the owner, and is responsible for the manager. This will be more the case as companies like VSI and their MSC in Sports Directorship establish best practice and copy the model in Europe. He wouldn't get involved in the contractual details of the player. More Performance Directors that could be applied to other sports. Our problem is fairly unique in that our Sporting Director has none of the leadership skills or experience for the role and is only in the role through nepotism. It would be different if he was a neutral, independent or previously experienced person. He is not being left to manage/recruit the entire Sporting Department including the coaches, Academy etc. I agree .....in any business you are stuffed if the Exec Directors are incompetent but doesn’t alter the concept that football managers/ head coaches are not at the top of the food chain and that key strategic decisions are not theirs to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 11 hours ago, Behind Closed Doors said: So a (Sporting )Director is below a (Sporting ) Manager? Bollocks ....who sacks the manager ?.....the Manager is at best Head of Department Heads of department hire and fire their teams in my company. the Managing Director hires and fires the Heads of Departments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Er, any transfer rumours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc 123 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, LaticMark said: Er, any transfer rumours? At least the debate isnt about having to justify why BO is a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Heads of department hire and fire their teams in my company. the Managing Director hires and fires the Heads of Departments Exactly ...heads of Departments are middle managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 22 hours ago, singe said: I'm not sure about that. DMaarms and others -cough- have posted a pic of what looks like Mo having dinner with the CEO of George Blackwood's agents, who are massive. Incidentally, the same agent as Zak Dearnley. Having dinner in a nice restaurant with his cap on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 4 hours ago, al_bro said: Having dinner in a nice restaurant with his cap on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/6/2020 at 9:15 PM, Behind Closed Doors said: So a (Sporting )Director is below a (Sporting ) Manager? Bollocks ....who sacks the manager ?.....the Manager is at best Head of Department Head of THE department. There are exceptions but the vast majority of businesses with a totally dominant owner who doesn't find appropriate senior managers and trust them to do their job will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1906 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Can we get back on track please? I keep checking in thinking we’ve got some more transfer news and you’re still arguing about who’s head of what?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: Head of THE department. There are exceptions but the vast majority of businesses with a totally dominant owner who doesn't find appropriate senior managers and trust them to do their job will fail. Indeed and that is why middle manager Kewell’s Senior Director and line manager Mo is such a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc 123 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, Gary1906 said: Can we get back on track please? I keep checking in thinking we’ve got some more transfer news and you’re still arguing about who’s head of what?!?!? If you want to start getting the conversation back on track feel free. Any transfer news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1906 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, oafc 123 said: If you want to start getting the conversation back on track feel free. Any transfer news? No but if I want to discuss any other issues I’ll be sure to look in a different talk group. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Quote EFL HUB @efl_hub· 1h EXCLUSIVE:Oldham Athletic are in the final stages of securing a loan move for Chelsea youngster Bryan Fiabema. #OAFC #EFL_HUB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Diego_Sideburns said: 17 year old striker. Mmmm Id much rather sign a centre half or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Closed Doors Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, Diego_Sideburns said: If true,...and I doubt it ...that would be 2 forwards in a week.....a striker on his way out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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