Dave_Og Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, b0ndl1ne said: There’s a good number of players who don’t want to come to us because of the style of play Unsworth plays and also what he’s like as a person. He’s a marmite character within the game Fair enough. Probably rather that than a soft touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 7 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I've warmed to Unsworth and genuinely think he'll take us up next season with the backing he's had, it still doesn't mean I'll agree with everything he does, I'm happy to admit when I get it wrong and my views aren't entrenched as others are on here and I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt but he fucked up with Vaughan and should of built the team round him. Building a team around an 18 year old is a hell of a gamble to take. Especially in the position we were in at the time. I don't think that's Unsworth vision anyway, it seems he's more about having a solid team and squad who all work for each other than building teams around individuals. It could just be that the move was the right thing for Vaughan and the right thing for the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said: There’s a good number of players who don’t want to come to us because of the style of play Unsworth plays and also what he’s like as a person. He’s a marmite character within the game Any names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said: There’s a good number of players who don’t want to come to us because of the style of play Unsworth plays and also what he’s like as a person. He’s a marmite character within the game How would you know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: How would you know that? From being on a golf day with the manager of a large non-league club. it was very interesting to hear what he had to say about Unsworth’s reputation within the game. Players these days won’t go somewhere if the style of football won’t suit them, those that are on demand anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, LaticsPete said: Any names? One of BP1960’s recommendations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, b0ndl1ne said: From being on a golf day with the manager of a large non-league club. it was very interesting to hear what he had to say about Unsworth’s reputation within the game. Players these days won’t go somewhere if the style of football won’t suit them, those that are on demand anyway Well that's fine. Why would Unsworth want to sign players who don't fit with how he wants to play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 31 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Well that's fine. Why would Unsworth want to sign players who don't fit with how he wants to play? I can’t answer that but we were definitely in for the player and he rejected us as he knew Unsworths style of football wouldn’t suit him. I would imagine when there is an obvious emerging talent that’s in demand and you have the resources we do it would be difficult not to be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said: From being on a golf day with the manager of a large non-league club. it was very interesting to hear what he had to say about Unsworth’s reputation within the game. Players these days won’t go somewhere if the style of football won’t suit them, those that are on demand anyway Whether he's liked within the game doesn't bother me a jot, he wants grafters and is bringing in a certain 'type', you can see what he's trying to do and I think it will work as we are still an attractive option at this level, we won't struggle for players this season as we are going to be right in the mix and I think he has managed to secure most of his targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 12 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Let what go?, it's an opinion on a forum precious. As for shithousery you do know Vaughan didn't play another minute for us again after that Altrincham game, he was 18 at the time and was made the scapegoat for that performance which was as bad as I've ever seen from a Latics team, it's not blown out of proportion it's fact and everything since then points to Unsworth getting the Vaughan situation very wrong, as for Couto I probably should cut him some slack but I don't rate him, he has age on his side and may well prove me wrong but I just don't see what he offers and he'd struggle to catch at Avro, it's not weird it's fact and the only thing weird in all this is how Unsworth somehow played; Couto Peck Chapman Wellens Stobbs Threlkeld Maynard Burgess Have I forgotten any???? In a midfield in front of him when we couldn't string two passes together let alone show any attacking intent. I've warmed to Unsworth and genuinely think he'll take us up next season with the backing he's had, it still doesn't mean I'll agree with everything he does, I'm happy to admit when I get it wrong and my views aren't entrenched as others are on here and I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt but he fucked up with Vaughan and should of built the team round him. Half of those lads barely kicked a ball under Unsworth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: Half of those lads barely kicked a ball under Unsworth... Fair point but they all had more minutes than Vaughan and were included in matchday squads ahead of him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Well that's fine. Why would Unsworth want to sign players who don't fit with how he wants to play? I can’t answer that but we were definitely in for the player and he rejected us as he knew Unsworths style of football wouldn’t suit him. I would imagine when there is an obvious emerging talent that’s in demand and you have the resources we do it would be difficult not to be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 10 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said: There’s a good number of players who don’t want to come to us because of the style of play Unsworth plays and also what he’s like as a person. He’s a marmite character within the game A good number? You've hinted at one. 7 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said: From being on a golf day with the manager of a large non-league club. it was very interesting to hear what he had to say about Unsworth’s reputation within the game. Players these days won’t go somewhere if the style of football won’t suit them, those that are on demand anyway I doubt our football last season would have suited Willoughby majority of the time. Do we not think he was in demand? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 11 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: A good number? You've hinted at one. I doubt our football last season would have suited Willoughby majority of the time. Do we not think he was in demand? I’m just repeating what I was told. Also, let’s not be blinded by the results towards the end of the season, the football was still atrocious. A lot of fans seem to have forgiven that because we were getting results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, b0ndl1ne said: I’m just repeating what I was told. Also, let’s not be blinded by the results towards the end of the season, the football was still atrocious. A lot of fans seem to have forgiven that because we were getting results. Ye because that's all that matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, b0ndl1ne said: I’m just repeating what I was told. Also, let’s not be blinded by the results towards the end of the season, the football was still atrocious. A lot of fans seem to have forgiven that because we were getting results. Blinded by results? Do you not like winning? I guess the dream for you is to lose 4-3 one week win 3-2 the next week and draw 3-3 week roar the team off because its so entertaining we will finish 17th and go absolutely nowhere like but it will be sooooo entertaining. Results are what matters results will get us promoted not entertaining defeats It's the national league it will not always be pretty but we win enough games we get a promotion. That is what is actually entertaining not seeing us concede stupid goals all the time and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 hours ago, b0ndl1ne said: I’m just repeating what I was told. Also, let’s not be blinded by the results towards the end of the season, the football was still atrocious. A lot of fans seem to have forgiven that because we were getting results. that's quite concerning, lve managed to convince myself the style was 'needs must'. hopefully the guy just got lied to by the player after we pulled out of the deal or sumat . did u win the golf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, GlossopLatic said: Blinded by results? Do you not like winning? I guess the dream for you is to lose 4-3 one week win 3-2 the next week and draw 3-3 week roar the team off because its so entertaining we will finish 17th and go absolutely nowhere like but it will be sooooo entertaining. Results are what matters results will get us promoted not entertaining defeats It's the national league it will not always be pretty but we win enough games we get a promotion. That is what is actually entertaining not seeing us concede stupid goals all the time and and..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I think I remember DU saying somewhere that with better players there will be a bit more freedom to play some actual football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, True Tic said: I think I remember DU saying somewhere that with better players there will be a bit more freedom to play some actual football There was an improvement in quality between January and May too. As the better players we signed and management bedded in, the quality of football improved. That would suggest that with more better players coming in over the summer and a full pre season together we should see more improvement again. Im not expecting full free flowing tikitaka but I’m pretty sure it’ll be miles away from the attritional dross of the early part of 2023. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Ye because that's all that matters But it doesn’t lend itself towards a steady progression and anything resembling a culture and philosophy. Gaining undeserved wins won’t happen forever and then what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, True Tic said: I think I remember DU saying somewhere that with better players there will be a bit more freedom to play some actual football That's the hope but nevertheless it's a result business, Notts played the best football in the division last season but they still didn't do enough to top Wrexham and you could argue were lucky to go up in the end after scraping through both the semi and final. If rhinoball gets us back to the EFL or knocking on the door bring it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, True Tic said: I think I remember DU saying somewhere that with better players there will be a bit more freedom to play some actual football That’s true however I was told that lots of people within the game couldn’t understand why Vaughan couldn’t get a look in. The consensus was that his footballing brain was too far ahead of the rest of the squad and they weren’t on his wavelength. Hence once he played a few games at Radcliffe and it was apparent that nothing was wrong with him he was snaffled up to play with better players where he’d be better suited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Monty Burns said: that's quite concerning, lve managed to convince myself the style was 'needs must'. hopefully the guy just got lied to by the player after we pulled out of the deal or sumat . did u win the golf? The player knows he’s going to move to the football league so there’s no point coming to us where we won’t play to his strengths. He’s spending his pre-season bulking up in the gym so that he’s better prepared should the move to the football league come this season. I came last at golf, lost about 20 balls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, b0ndl1ne said: The player knows he’s going to move to the football league so there’s no point coming to us where we won’t play to his strengths. He’s spending his pre-season bulking up in the gym so that he’s better prepared should the move to the football league come this season. I came last at golf, lost about 20 balls! ohhhhh that recommendation, got you you won't be suprised to hear that my bro turned his hand fully to golf about this time last year and has ended up the best out of everyone not that lve always been in his sporting shadow or owt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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