MATCH: Dagenham and Redbridge (H) 07/10/23

[diggleblue]

2 hours ago, Lags said:

 

At least ST tried to mix it up to affect the game. Unfortunately unorthodox changes seldom work. 

The simple fact is,  these players aren't good enough. Nor is ST.

Every game we can't transition the lines nor can we disrupt the opposition from passing through us and breaking our lines into acres of space. Hence we go ever deeper. 

Spot on.

[Gaz_Oafc]

1 minute ago, nzlatic said:

I agree. As long as the decision is made before next Saturday then 3 weeks seems perfectly reasonable. 
 

I thought folk wanted a thorough application and interview process? Now apparently the board are fucking around. Couldn’t make it up. 

 

If tonight's rumours are to be believed*, then I very much doubt thats happened. It sounds very much like a phonecall to an old friend.

 

 

* it could of course, be complete bollocks.

[Boyyou]

Interesting listening to ST post match. He says it as we see it.

Suggests players have to stand up and be counted, be braver in possession, not switch off after a good 10 minute spell. 

Reckons we need 4 new players who can handle possession and get the team on the front foot - and that will be the case no matter who is manager.

Sounds like DU wanted work horses signing and ST wants ballers.

Fresh blood cannot be delayed if we are to have a prayer of making top 7.

[L1onheartNew]

19 minutes ago, Steve_R said:

Their no 7 was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch. No idea who he is or where he’s from, but why can’t we sign a player like that?

 

We will probably sign Vincent, and Smith from Wealdstone and turn them into two Mark Sheltons within a week.

 

Effiong was also excellent leading the line. 

 

To be fair, Lundstram needs a partner that isn't Sheron or Shelton. 

Lundstram looks to have more ability than the two of them combined and still have lots of room for improvement.

 

Willoughby needs to play; anywhere but the wing. Perhaps the old inside forward role?

 

Reid and Willoughby together have showed the most sustainability over a game instead of Norwood/Nuttall/Fondop and A.N. Other although, I would like to see him play in a front three with Fondop and Reid.

 

[Flemboy]

1 hour ago, Steve_R said:

Their no 7 was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch. No idea who he is or where he’s from, but why can’t we sign a player like that?

Frank Vincent.... was all over us.This league has loads of good players

[bazerx]

I've read all through this thread, and there's not one mention of something else that's another problem here - our own entitled supporters. Yeah, I've heard all the arguments about how the fans pay their money so they're entitled to moan/ we should be beating these part time pub teams cos we're a big club/ blah, blah, blah etc. But come on - booing one of your own players when he's coming on? For God's sake, what possible good can this do? Yeah, we're great fans when it's going well, but sometimes when things aren't going so well is when the players need encouragement the most, and that's when some of our lot quickly turn to personal abuse. It's clear that other teams know how quick we are to turn on the team, and understandably, they try to play on it. I'm not saying we shouldn't make our feelings known, but maybe there's a less abusive way of doing so.

 

I'm not saying a change in fans attitude will solve the deep rooted problems in our beloved team, but it just might help a bit.

 

Just think about it a little eh.

 

Don't forget, this is my opinion and I'm just as entitled to express it as anyone else. I'm not going to enter into a great debate so anyone else can feel free to try and belittle what I have written and have the last word. 

 

(I'll don my tin helmet now and prepare myself for the torrent of abuse that may soon come my way.)

[JoeP]

11 minutes ago, bazerx said:

I've read all through this thread, and there's not one mention of something else that's another problem here - our own entitled supporters. Yeah, I've heard all the arguments about how the fans pay their money so they're entitled to moan/ we should be beating these part time pub teams cos we're a big club/ blah, blah, blah etc. But come on - booing one of your own players when he's coming on? For God's sake, what possible good can this do? Yeah, we're great fans when it's going well, but sometimes when things aren't going so well is when the players need encouragement the most, and that's when some of our lot quickly turn to personal abuse. It's clear that other teams know how quick we are to turn on the team, and understandably, they try to play on it. I'm not saying we shouldn't make our feelings known, but maybe there's a less abusive way of doing so.

 

I'm not saying a change in fans attitude will solve the deep rooted problems in our beloved team, but it just might help a bit.

 

Just think about it a little eh.

 

Don't forget, this is my opinion and I'm just as entitled to express it as anyone else. I'm not going to enter into a great debate so anyone else can feel free to try and belittle what I have written and have the last word. 

 

(I'll don my tin helmet now and prepare myself for the torrent of abuse that may soon come my way.)

 

Nah, you're right.

 

Not sure it's to do with entitlement, but booing Shelton as he game on was a really shit move...

 

There's being negative because you think something's not right, then there's just being plain nasty.

 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by JoeP

[oafc1955]

Thommo feels we need 3 or 4 more who can take care of the ball… that will put us up to a squad of nearly 30 again. Surely we’ll have to get shut of one or two because once again that’s far too many for this division.

 

This team is nowhere near and ST knows it!!

Who’s recommendation was it to bring in these players?

 

If it was ST, and it surely wasn’t, then he’s a terrible judge of a player and he should be gone.

 

I feel for him….He’s in a horrible situation, he needs results to get this job but in needing the results he has also to be supportive of the players and keep them onside.

 

In his post match interview, the amount of times he repeatedly said ‘the players give me everything’ was telling!!

 

Unsworth has left us in a terrible situation where 90% of the time he was spouting absolute bollocks and just about everybody knew it, except it seems the board, who waited far too long to make their decision.

 

Like I have said, IMO, without a few quality additions, it doesn’t matter who comes in, they are going to struggle.
We ain’t catching Chesterfield now but it wouldn’t take too much improvement to get into the playoffs.

 

If we can make the necessary changes to the squad and get a good settled team out on the pitch, then by May we could have a much better chance of going up a division.

 

I would give it ST until the end of the season, let him bring in his targets, see if he can turn it around and then reassess in the summer.

 

It may well be the cheapest available option but under the current circumstances it may well prove to be the right course of action!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guy Branston Pickle]

People booing Shelton on are complete tossers. I won't have that if we're in the complete doldrums, nevermind 6 unbeaten (regardless of performance, result etc). Absolute fucking bullshit that, we'll go nowhere with dickheads like that supporting us

[yarddog73]

50 minutes ago, Guy Branston Pickle said:

People booing Shelton on are complete tossers. I won't have that if we're in the complete doldrums, nevermind 6 unbeaten (regardless of performance, result etc). Absolute fucking bullshit that, we'll go nowhere with dickheads like that supporting us

For balance as well Shelton looked a better player without Sheron by his side, he did quite well when he came on today particularly further up the pitch.

[Sloshed Joe]

Shelton coming on for Green at RWB would’ve been my move (unless Sheron was running on empty). Green was awful today. He didn’t affect the game at all. 

[Lukers1]

For one I’d cancel the bloody rest days during the week.

 

To say they are full time professionals they pretty much blow out of their backsides after 70 mins.

 

We have a strength conditioning coach, a psychologist who had played and a nutrition specialist.

 

To be out run by other teams and some even part time baffles me.

 

Surely this is basic stuff, what’s John Harbin up to these days!!

[Careca9]

10 hours ago, bazerx said:

I've read all through this thread, and there's not one mention of something else that's another problem here - our own entitled supporters. Yeah, I've heard all the arguments about how the fans pay their money so they're entitled to moan/ we should be beating these part time pub teams cos we're a big club/ blah, blah, blah etc. But come on - booing one of your own players when he's coming on? For God's sake, what possible good can this do? Yeah, we're great fans when it's going well, but sometimes when things aren't going so well is when the players need encouragement the most, and that's when some of our lot quickly turn to personal abuse. It's clear that other teams know how quick we are to turn on the team, and understandably, they try to play on it. I'm not saying we shouldn't make our feelings known, but maybe there's a less abusive way of doing so.

 

I'm not saying a change in fans attitude will solve the deep rooted problems in our beloved team, but it just might help a bit.

 

Just think about it a little eh.

 

Don't forget, this is my opinion and I'm just as entitled to express it as anyone else. I'm not going to enter into a great debate so anyone else can feel free to try and belittle what I have written and have the last word. 

 

(I'll don my tin helmet now and prepare myself for the torrent of abuse that may soon come my way.)

I think the fact these smaller clubs with less resource are turning up and look a lot better than us yet are paying a lot less is driving this. If we are paying top dollar for the league, which we are, then we need to be seeing value for that money. 

[aaronoafc]

13 hours ago, oafc1955 said:

Apparently we have a wealth of striking talent all of which are the envy of most sides in this division………..is it just me who thinks that’s total bollocks?

 

Reid is a terrible footballer, Fondop spends most of the game on his arse & Nuttall just can’t even be arsed!!

Instead of swapping and changing every other week I would stick with Willoughby & Norwood and try to develop a pattern of play.

Looks like Nuttall has finally been found out, he wasn’t a Thommo signing and IMO no matter who the new manager is will be 1st out of the door….provided someone actually wants him that is!!

 

Just quoting because of the last bit. We certainly need to be shifting a few out in the hope of bringing in more quality (or so we assume) - but we have far too many players sat on contracts until Summer 2025 (not even 24, 25) on thousands of pounds a week, it’s going to be tough. 

[JoeP]

3 minutes ago, Careca9 said:

I think the fact these smaller clubs with less resource are turning up and look a lot better than us yet are paying a lot less is driving this. If we are paying top dollar for the league, which we are, then we need to be seeing value for that money. 

 

The "entitled supporters" argument doesn't hold much water for me.  What's wrong with feeling entitled? We've spent money, it's a disgrace that we're in this division and we should be doing better.

 

I also don't buy much into the "it takes time" argument.   We've spent enough to make us competitive instantly.  How long does it actually take to get professional athletes match-fit??

[LightDN123]

Shelton booed on, Sheron in CM and OAFC giving a way a lead to a shit team at home. 
 

Brilliant. 

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

56 minutes ago, Lukers1 said:

what’s John Harbin up to these days!!

 

He's about 85 now, surely?

Depressingly familiar on Saturday where that we start strongly, get our noses in front and after half an hour the opposition observes that we do no pressing in midfield, defend deeply and there are acres of space to exploit. It was a carbon copy of most of the home points dropped last season. It's a weakness and almost entirely down to midfield; an area that should've been tightened up in the summer.

[whittles left foot]

48 minutes ago, JoeP said:

I also don't buy much into the "it takes time" argument.   We've spent enough to make us competitive instantly.  How long does it actually take to get professional athletes match-fit??

Yet evidence proves that historically it takes time to get out of this division no matter what your budget is.

[JoeP]

3 minutes ago, whittles left foot said:

Yet evidence proves that historically it takes time to get out of this division no matter what your budget is.

 

Unless you're Grimsby.  Or Bristol Rovers.

[Pidge]

1 hour ago, Lukers1 said:

For one I’d cancel the bloody rest days during the week.

 

To say they are full time professionals they pretty much blow out of their backsides after 70 mins.

 

We have a strength conditioning coach, a psychologist who had played and a nutrition specialist.

 

To be out run by other teams and some even part time baffles me.

 

Surely this is basic stuff, what’s John Harbin up to these days!!

Great idea! (Not)  We have been playing twice a week for some time now and the team as a whole are apparently running out of steam in second halves of games, so clearly they aren’t fit enough, let’s cancel the rest day and work them harder?

 

Strength and conditioning during an active season is not about, just work them harder. It is complicated.  A match is the most intensive training session a player will have.  Players need recovery. 
 

I remember hearing a Team Doctor, from a then recently demoted Prem League club, talk a few years ago. Every morning the 4 sport’s scientists and 4 Physios and Team Doctor would sit and discuss each player to decide what that players activity would be that day. This was then monitored by the GPS trackers and reviewed the next day.  

[Lukers1]

6 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Great idea! (Not)  We have been playing twice a week for some time now and the team as a whole are apparently running out of steam in second halves of games, so clearly they aren’t fit enough, let’s cancel the rest day and work them harder?

 

Strength and conditioning during an active season is not about, just work them harder. It is complicated.  A match is the most intensive training session a player will have.  Players need recovery. 
 

I remember hearing a Team Doctor, from a then recently demoted Prem League club, talk a few years ago. Every morning the 4 sport’s scientists and 4 Physios and Team Doctor would sit and discuss each player to decide what that players activity would be that day. This was then monitored by the GPS trackers and reviewed the next day.  

Get them in the pool then, they simply not fit. 
 

Plus, semi pro teams are running rings around us and only train twice per week.

Plus it was a player at the club who doesn’t agree with rest days.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Lukers1

[Pidge]

Sorry I’m confused.  Are you saying if we also only train twice a week we could run rings around the opposition?

 

I think you just showed how complicated it is.

[Pidge]

The real issue isn’t fitness. The players who play regularly are all super fit.  The real issue is how you perform when you feel tired and maybe have some discomfort, do you ease off, or do you shut it out and keep going hard. Ask the SAS how they get their mentality right.  What makes you dig in and put that extra in?  Love of your team? Love of your manager? Fear of your manager? Love of the game and winning? All questions for the job application form .

[GlossopLatic]

1 hour ago, JoeP said:

 

Unless you're Grimsby.  Or Bristol Rovers.

 

They are the outliers the majority it usually takes longer.

 

Should we be challenging for promotion yes but just because we have things right off the pitch and we are geared towards going forwards and challenging for promotion doesn't mean we always will it doesn't always work like that. I think we have made mistakes on the football side of things particularly in recruitment.

 

What we need now is clear leadership particularly in the dressing room. We need someone with the vision to build a team with a specific way of playing, sign players who will fit that way of playing and that will get us out of this division.

Edited October 8, 2023 by GlossopLatic

[TheBigDog]

2 hours ago, Lukers1 said:

For one I’d cancel the bloody rest days during the week.

 

To say they are full time professionals they pretty much blow out of their backsides after 70 mins.

 

We have a strength conditioning coach, a psychologist who had played and a nutrition specialist.

 

To be out run by other teams and some even part time baffles me.

 

Surely this is basic stuff, what’s John Harbin up to these days!!

I’d give them a lot of recovery time  - they will come back the better for it