madlatic Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 The main problem I see with JBE is the total inability to use hiss right foot , so many times he beats his man then instead of laying a pass with his right foot he has to cut back onto his left , usually having to beat the man he has just got past to try and lay the ball off to someone coming on his inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Who plays instead of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Eh? You were the one who's been dealing in absolutes. You said he was "not a team player" and wanted him dropped. I just gave one example of him setting up a very recent goal. I could also have given a few more, he's apparently got 6 assists this season (joint 9th in league). I said nothing about him being great all season, I just think we should be looking to develop his talent and harness it better rather than dropping him the moment he has a bit of an ineffective game. He's a young lad with plenty of technical ability who often gets double marked. Not surprisingly he needs to get better at when to go for it himself and when to look for a team mate. One for the coaches to work on. He’s a selfish fucker. Out for himself. You like him. I don’t. End of the discussion for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Who plays instead of him? Nepo,with a left back replacing him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, TheBigDog said: I cannot remember O’Grady holding up the ball yesterday He didnt. Not once. I’m not sure he even won a single challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, madlatic said: The main problem I see with JBE is the total inability to use hiss right foot , so many times he beats his man then instead of laying a pass with his right foot he has to cut back onto his left , usually having to beat the man he has just got past to try and lay the ball off to someone coming on his inside I’ll give you that. He’s extremely left footed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, nzlatic said: Eh? You were the one who's been dealing in absolutes. You said he was "not a team player" and wanted him dropped. I just gave one example of him setting up a very recent goal. I could also have given a few more, he's apparently got 6 assists this season (joint 9th in league). I said nothing about him being great all season, I just think we should be looking to develop his talent and harness it better rather than dropping him the moment he has a bit of an ineffective game. He's a young lad with plenty of technical ability who often gets double marked. Not surprisingly he needs to get better at when to go for it himself and when to look for a team mate. One for the coaches to work on. No no no. You haven’t been paying attention. He’s never going to a footballer... just as was said about Nepo, Missile and Maouche. Edited February 17, 2019 by kowenicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4it Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 2 hours ago, TheBigDog said: I cannot remember O’Grady holding up the ball yesterday Probably because he had to play a lone striker and our passing was woeful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: He’s a selfish fucker. Out for himself. You like him. I don’t. End of the discussion for me. You’re entitled to your opinion. And I’m entitled to say he’s been involved in 6 of our last 8 goals. So yeah, I’m willing give him a bit longer in the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, nzlatic said: You’re entitled to your opinion. And I’m entitled to say he’s been involved in 6 of our last 8 goals. So yeah, I’m willing give him a bit longer in the side. And trust me mate nobody would be more delighted if he turns it around (imo he needs to) I will always give credit when it’s due and and will only support our players when I’m there. You won’t find me criticising from the sidelines. But he does get on my nerves to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Scholes not blaming the pitch but... "We struggled to create a bit today I suppose. It's difficult on that pitch, I don't want to make excuses because I know the players are good enough to do better than what they did today, but we're asking them to play football, asking them to create chances and score goals on that pitch it became difficult to really get any kind of play going that we would of hoped for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMADE Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Scholes not blaming the pitch but... "We struggled to create a bit today I suppose. It's difficult on that pitch, I don't want to make excuses because I know the players are good enough to do better than what they did today, but we're asking them to play football, asking them to create chances and score goals on that pitch it became difficult to really get any kind of play going that we would of hoped for. He's got a point, maybe it can be put right by way of a steamroller before Tuesday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I’m not big (knowledge wise) on tactics and formations but I can easily understand the constantly recurring difficulty ‘all’ teams have with consistency. It’s impossibly difficult, even at the top of the Premier League. While not involved last Saturday, Scholes would probably have been known within the camp as a done deal. A second half prerformance superior to the first half resulted in a 0-3 away win. Tuesday night was not brilliant first half - much better second half with two late goals perhaps flattering us overall. Yesterday, first half, we knocked the ball about accuractly as well as I have seen this season. But not in the second half. Inconsistency! What fans the world over never seem to factor in is the other team is constantly adapting, reforming and changing how they deal with our threats and visa versus. The best managed team with the best players, over a season, will generally come out on top. But not without their fans having a hissy fit every time a point/s are dropped. It has been so since I started watching football 65yrs ago. Yesterday, Crewe sussed us out, changed personnel, found our weak spot and ‘earned a point. Meanwhile, our last 3 games have earned us 7pts for a an average of 2.3pts per game. On track for the play-offs. We’re doing OK. It’s true what they say ‘you can’t win them all’ and a game of football is arguably the most fiendishly difficult way to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, mikeroyboy said: I’m not big (knowledge wise) on tactics and formations but I can easily understand the constantly recurring difficulty ‘all’ teams have with consistency. It’s impossibly difficult, even at the top of the Premier League. While not involved last Saturday, Scholes would probably have been known within the camp as a done deal. A second half prerformance superior to the first half resulted in a 0-3 away win. Tuesday night was not brilliant first half - much better second half with two late goals perhaps flattering us overall. Yesterday, first half, we knocked the ball about accuractly as well as I have seen this season. But not in the second half. Inconsistency! What fans the world over never seem to factor in is the other team is constantly adapting, reforming and changing how they deal with our threats and visa versus. The best managed team with the best players, over a season, will generally come out on top. But not without their fans having a hissy fit every time a point/s are dropped. It has been so since I started watching football 65yrs ago. Yesterday, Crewe sussed us out, changed personnel, found our weak spot and ‘earned a point. Meanwhile, our last 3 games have earned us 7pts for a an average of 2.3pts per game. On track for the play-offs. We’re doing OK. It’s true what they say ‘you can’t win them all’ and a game of football is arguably the most fiendishly difficult way to try. Triple double upboat. Great post. Football would be a piece of piss if not for the pesky opposition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 4 hours ago, BP1960 said: You'd think Scholes will tell Branger to lift his head and pass the ball instead of trying to beat the same man 3 times. Bluddy hell, BP......Give PS an opportunity...he's had the gig for less than a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, mikejh45 said: Bluddy hell, BP......Give PS an opportunity...he's had the gig for less than a week. He's trained with him, that's surely enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsrblue Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 5 hours ago, perfectOzblue said: Isn't that the point though? He (apparently - long distance fan here too!) shows he has talent but doesn't seem to be bothered/is incapable of stringing it together consistently? If he could do that he'd be at PSGFC not OAFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 You will know better than me but how quickly can you change the mindset of a player in their mid 20s? Also taking into account, nothing of note will have taken place last Tuesday. Day after a match would be light training (I'm guessing), Thursday possibly full on training, Friday light training and tactics (again I'm guessing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsrblue Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, mikejh45 said: You will know better than me but how quickly can you change the mindset of a player in their mid 20s? Also taking into account, nothing of note will have taken place last Tuesday. Day after a match would be light training (I'm guessing), Thursday possibly full on training, Friday light training and tactics (again I'm guessing). I'm sure Banger will have had his failings pointed out to him by previous managers. Hopefully he'll take notice of what Scholes tells him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, laticsrblue said: I'm sure Banger will have had his failings pointed out to him by previous managers. Hopefully he'll take notice of what Scholes tells him. I can partly agree although what Nicky Banger has got to do with this topic, I'm not sure. He seemed to come to the fore under PW. In France and at the level he was playing at, he my have been highly rated at his club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: He's trained with him, that's surely enough. Scholes coaching ability called into question after 1 week. Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, mcfluff1985 said: Scholes coaching ability called into question after 1 week. Jesus Not even a week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMADE Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Even Guardiola would struggle to win over a few detractors on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikejh45 said: You will know better than me but how quickly can you change the mindset of a player in their mid 20s? Also taking into account, nothing of note will have taken place last Tuesday. Day after a match would be light training (I'm guessing), Thursday possibly full on training, Friday light training and tactics (again I'm guessing). Its a very good point. I doubt anyone would get Branger to change his ways in a week or even at all at this stage in his career Im not sure we should try either, hes very much a tricks and flicks type of player and really their is nothing wrong with trying these things to beat opponents in the opposition 3rd, it will create chances and goals. We've just got to try and get him to do it when it pays off, and try at other times to keep it simple. A ball straight into the box into a good area or a simple lay off to teammate can sometimes be just as effective. Edited February 17, 2019 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, OLDHAMADE said: Even Guardiola would struggle to win over a few detractors on here Limited ability coach, struggles to get the best out of his players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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