GlossopLatic Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, tGWB said: My point wasnt that football fans wouldnt go to stadiums, more that the traditional week in week out type of supporter is very much in decline and that football clubs previous reliance on attendances is less and theyre more reliant on tv monies etc I disagree it's in decline the evidence shows that overall attendances have been on an upward trend over the past 30 years. What clubs have done is become more commercially aware and no longer just take money from those on the gate every other Saturday but through TV, sponsorship, commercial opportunities, and merchandise. Their will always be a place for supporters who want to attend games its just that clubs don't rely on them as much. Which is what football clubs have to do if they want long term sustainability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: I disagree it's in decline the evidence shows that overall attendances have been on an upward trend over the past 30 years. What clubs have done is become more commercially aware and no longer just take money from those on the gate every other Saturday but through TV, sponsorship, commercial opportunities, and merchandise. Their will always be a place for supporters who want to attend games its just that clubs don't rely on them as much. Which is what football clubs have to do if they want long term sustainability. your 2nd paragraph suggests we dont disgree Glossop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 26 minutes ago, tGWB said: your 2nd paragraph suggests we dont disgree Glossop We aren't that far away we are probably on a similar path what I just disagree with is that the traditional match going fan is in decline(which maybe down to your choice of words rather than a fundamental disagreement) I very much believe they are part of football clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: We aren't that far away we are probably on a similar path what I just disagree with is that the traditional match going fan is in decline(which maybe down to your choice of words rather than a fundamental disagreement) I very much believe they are part of football clubs. Havent any stats to prove it, more an observation Can see a decline in the week in week out supporter being replaced by the occasional match goer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 13 hours ago, wiseowl said: Football is not the same game in an empty stadium. It's like drinking at home as opposed to drinking at the pub. I much prefer drinking at the pub because of the social aspect etc. However, it's scary how many people now drink at home. They complain about the price of beer in pubs - yet these same people happily pay £12 for a "gourmet burger" or £8 for a fish finger butty (as long as it's on the "signature menu" of course. I think you'll find much of life is now dictated by how easily sheeple are manipulated by marketing rather than anything else. There remains the enlightened few that are not susceptible to it. Before you rush to your keyboards (more probably the latest smartphone!).... stop.... think... and have a good look around you.... 90% have become slaves to marketing. Dear o dear you are a cynic aren’t you. Not all of the modern world is bad chap. What’s wrong with paying good money for good food? Am intrigued as to when you settled on the internet being ok but smart phones not? id get out more if I were you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 15 hours ago, wiseowl said: Football is not the same game in an empty stadium. It's like drinking at home as opposed to drinking at the pub. I much prefer drinking at the pub because of the social aspect etc. However, it's scary how many people now drink at home. They complain about the price of beer in pubs - yet these same people happily pay £12 for a "gourmet burger" or £8 for a fish finger butty (as long as it's on the "signature menu" of course. I think you'll find much of life is now dictated by how easily sheeple are manipulated by marketing rather than anything else. There remains the enlightened few that are not susceptible to it. Before you rush to your keyboards (more probably the latest smartphone!).... stop.... think... and have a good look around you.... 90% have become slaves to marketing. Remarkable. Eating out has become a major leisure activity over the last twenty years or so in a way that it just wasn't when I was younger - it was very much a special event. If you pay £12 for a burger then you're paying for ambience, service etc. If you want to stick with a packet of frozen Birds Eye burgers watching black and whit TV with three channels (I remember when there were only two available) then you're very welcome to stick with life in the 70s. My local pub doesn't do food - I fear for its future although I am trying my best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Dave_Og said: Remarkable. Eating out has become a major leisure activity over the last twenty years or so in a way that it just wasn't when I was younger - it was very much a special event. If you pay £12 for a burger then you're paying for ambience, service etc. If you want to stick with a packet of frozen Birds Eye burgers watching black and whit TV with three channels (I remember when there were only two available) then you're very welcome to stick with life in the 70s. My local pub doesn't do food - I fear for its future although I am trying my best... True, It wasn't always the good old days, jam sandwiches for work and stewed tea with condensed milk was my regular lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 2 hours ago, BP1960 said: True, It wasn't always the good old days, jam sandwiches for work and stewed tea with condensed milk was my regular lunch. You were lucky..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, dannyboy55555 said: You were lucky..... One of the greatest sketches of all time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/27/2021 at 7:52 PM, wiseowl said: Football is not the same game in an empty stadium. It's like drinking at home as opposed to drinking at the pub. I much prefer drinking at the pub because of the social aspect etc. However, it's scary how many people now drink at home. They complain about the price of beer in pubs - yet these same people happily pay £12 for a "gourmet burger" or £8 for a fish finger butty (as long as it's on the "signature menu" of course. I think you'll find much of life is now dictated by how easily sheeple are manipulated by marketing rather than anything else. There remains the enlightened few that are not susceptible to it. Before you rush to your keyboards (more probably the latest smartphone!).... stop.... think... and have a good look around you.... 90% have become slaves to marketing. Would you be happy if we all lived like cavemen with excellent grammar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts2 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Would you be happy if we all lived like cavemen with excellent grammar ? Isnt that rugby union ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 On 10/28/2021 at 12:16 PM, BP1960 said: It wasn't always the good old days Things you never thought BP would say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/28/2021 at 10:54 AM, Andy b said: Dear o dear you are a cynic aren’t you. Not all of the modern world is bad chap. What’s wrong with paying good money for good food? Am intrigued as to when you settled on the internet being ok but smart phones not? id get out more if I were you What’s wrong with paying good money for good sport (including football) via Sky or any other subscription channel (Amazon, Netflix, iFollow etc)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 4:27 PM, Andy b said: You make a good point in referring to ‘the game’. our shared game exists across thousands of clubs. It excludes the top 6. What game do “the top 6” (whoever they are) play then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester Owl Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 4:48 PM, Andy b said: It appears you value the premier league as an entertainment spectacle. You watch it in the pub, take a general interest in it and have a sky subscription. Please don’t take that the wrong way but that being the case, I see why you don’t want the super league. By contrast, i can add up the number of hours of premier league football I watch on a year on two hands. I know sod all about it and very quickly get out of my depth when people to try and engage me in a conversation about it. For that reason, the strength and maintenance of the premier league as a spectacle is of no relevance to me. Further I really don’t see why I should care about what Liverpool fans enjoy It appears you like making assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Worcester Owl said: What’s wrong with paying good money for good sport (including football) via Sky or any other subscription channel (Amazon, Netflix, iFollow etc)? Nowt big man. Your choice. I happen to think that football would be better if the top 6 did their own thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Worcester Owl said: What’s wrong with paying good money for good sport (including football) via Sky or any other subscription channel (Amazon, Netflix, iFollow etc)? Some people pay very little money and use IPTV but that can't be condoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Andy b said: Nowt big man. Your choice. I happen to think that football outside of the top flight would be better if the top 6 did their own thing Worth noting that 2 of these “big 6” aren’t currently in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Andy b said: Nowt big man. Your choice. I happen to think that football would be better if the top 6 did their own thing I asked this before and I will ask it again. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: I asked this before and I will ask it again. How? It wouldn’t - the next 6 would be the “big 6” the premier league would still be light years away from us and we would be no where near better off the fact the best players would go to the Super League would further devalue our own league no tv company is going to pay billions for Brighton Vs Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc 123 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: no tv company is going to pay billions for Brighton Vs Southampton It will be like when the darts split up to become the PDC and BDO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, oafc 123 said: It will be like when the darts split up to become the PDC and BDO. Wasn't that when the PL formed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 21 hours ago, Chaddyexile84 said: It wouldn’t - the next 6 would be the “big 6” the premier league would still be light years away from us and we would be no where near better off the fact the best players would go to the Super League would further devalue our own league no tv company is going to pay billions for Brighton Vs Southampton Really don’t understand. Sorry. why on Earth do you want a version of football where a tv company pays billions of pounds for Brighton v southampton. What good does that do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Andy b said: Really don’t understand. Sorry. why on Earth do you want a version of football where a tv company pays billions of pounds for Brighton v southampton. What good does that do? Youre right you don’t understand I don’t want that - my point is it wouldn’t happen all the money would go to the Super League and the domestic game would be even poorer especially at our level its also not going to happen so it’s a fairly pointless debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy b Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: Youre right you don’t understand I don’t want that - my point is it wouldn’t happen all the money would go to the Super League and the domestic game would be even poorer especially at our level its also not going to happen so it’s a fairly pointless debate There is another way. That’s all. Fundamentals of the current structure work for very very few. I don’t believe in a trickle down system. Nice theory. It doesn’t work in the wider economy. It doesn’t work in football. Increasing money in the economy just makes everything more expensive. Fine if all groups can take advantage of that monetary injection to get on. But the structures of football don’t allow that to happen. Root and branch change needed starting with cutting wit the top 4/6 (or whatever) adrift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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