yarddog73 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 hours ago, deyres42 said: This idea that we shouldn't spend money because it doesn't guarantee success, can only conclude anyone coming out with this nonsense are the real trolls. You can't spend money you don't have, it really is that simple, it not being a guarantee should be a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 16 hours ago, yarddog73 said: You're making figures up now and think every penny should be spent on players - okay. Rough guesstimate and no I don't think it should all be spent on players. The rumoured lad from Leeds is a quality player and a good use of some of the influx of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, Clifford said: Rough guesstimate and no I don't think it should all be spent on players. The rumoured lad from Leeds is a quality player and a good use of some of the influx of cash. Agreed on that, signing McCalmont would be a signal of intent and he's the sort of player the fans would get excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 People do realise that Rothwell would have purchased the club factoring in season ticket sales as part of the consideration ? It’s not like he’s spent 12m and the season ticket money is extra revenue. It would have been factored into his proposal. He also probably deferred some consideration not just parted with 12m day 1. - Caveating this with the fact he’s not purchased the stadium as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 how can he factor in what he doesnt know? l was piffed at for suggesting we have easily 6000 regular fans, is there like some club l'm supposes to be a member of? from day one he has been pleading for purchases and he keeps poppin up to say thanks. l think he has put a big amount of cash down already and is hoping to recoup it thru sales of tickets. all this lve shot my load already talk is jus excellent poker play from a rather canny character. what a guy he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 21 hours ago, deyres42 said: This idea that we shouldn't spend money because it doesn't guarantee success, can only conclude anyone coming out with this nonsense are the real trolls. As can those who say we shouldn’t look to replace Shez because whoever replaces him might also be shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 21 hours ago, deyres42 said: This idea that we shouldn't spend money because it doesn't guarantee success, can only conclude anyone coming out with this nonsense are the real trolls. 24 minutes ago, sjk2008 said: As can those who say we shouldn’t look to replace Shez because whoever replaces him might also be shit. I don’t think anyone is making those specific points are they? More that gambling by overspending still doesn’t guarantee success so it’s a risk that needs to be considered. And that replacing shez wouldn’t guarantee success, and what happens if results and performances are even worse under a new manager? How long would they get? Doesn’t mean it’s wrong to take those gambles, just they are balanced judgement calls and not as black or white or as easy as some on here make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 12:32 PM, deyres42 said: We aren't allowed to have any expectations. On 8/26/2022 at 12:51 PM, deyres42 said: I got abused for calling our fans entitled once, funny how things turn out... It appears your calling yourself entitled for having expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 4 hours ago, LightDN123 said: People do realise that Rothwell would have purchased the club factoring in season ticket sales as part of the consideration ? It’s not like he’s spent 12m and the season ticket money is extra revenue. It would have been factored into his proposal. He also probably deferred some consideration not just parted with 12m day 1. - Caveating this with the fact he’s not purchased the stadium as of yet. Will he have spent the quoted £12 million by now? Won't it be Club purchase first with all that comes with it staff, ground lease/maintenance. I have no idea what this initial layout is Next asset and surrounding land purchase with about Xmas time? I know Blitz valuation was £10million for the whole lot about May time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 No he wouldn’t have parted with the £12m by now at all. He won’t part with it until completion of the stadium, even then it will include deferred consideration I’d imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, LightDN123 said: No he wouldn’t have parted with the £12m by now at all. He won’t part with it until completion of the stadium, even then it will include deferred consideration I’d imagine. Can't think what would be deferred for a property transaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMarshall's Mullet Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 2:20 PM, HarryBosch said: It's like Socialism though. We've never thrown money at it properly. I thought socialism was throwing money at it to give lots of freebies away........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 11:16 AM, LightDN123 said: People do realise that Rothwell would have purchased the club factoring in season ticket sales as part of the consideration ? It’s not like he’s spent 12m and the season ticket money is extra revenue. It would have been factored into his proposal. He also probably deferred some consideration not just parted with 12m day 1. - Caveating this with the fact he’s not purchased the stadium as of yet. You do know he's not spent anywhere near 12 mill yet don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, Clifford said: You do know he's not spent anywhere near 12 mill yet don't you? Has he committed to 12 million then? Spoke to him Friday and he assured me that contracts have been exchanged with Blitz. Not sure Blitz would of signed without the assurances that the finances were there even if he hasn't physically paid for it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Clifford said: You do know he's not spent anywhere near 12 mill yet don't you? Yeah, see one of my posts on another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 5:01 PM, IanMarshall's Mullet said: I thought socialism was throwing money at it to give lots of freebies away........ As do the capitalist parties just to other greedy players. Takes your choice!. No more Politics from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 3:50 PM, Clifford said: When you said we threw money and ended up in the national league. AL spent good money in his first window. That was it. And you don't think there any connection between that and our subsequent demise? We went down in the season he threw money at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 My take on this is that surely a football team goes out every week to try to win whatever game is in front of them? If you're through on goal in the 90th minute you don't deliberately miss because the aim is consolidation rather than promotion/success. Seems to me Shez has had a reasonable budget so I don't see any issue with anyone criticising poor performances in the same way they would praise good ones. I'd give him the full season at least to improve the side he has put together and see where we are then. Personally just delighted to be discussing football rather than the gut wrenching anti-fan off the field events of recent years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, dannyboy55555 said: My take on this is that surely a football team goes out every week to try to win whatever game is in front of them? If you're through on goal in the 90th minute you don't deliberately miss because the aim is consolidation rather than promotion/success. Seems to me Shez has had a reasonable budget so I don't see any issue with anyone criticising poor performances in the same way they would praise good ones. I'd give him the full season at least to improve the side he has put together and see where we are then. Personally just delighted to be discussing football rather than the gut wrenching anti-fan off the field events of recent years I'm not for change but I think we can see after half a dozen games that they are not for being improved, either that or they can't be arsed which is probably even worse. If a player at this level cannot give you 90 minutes you have to question why we are even offering them a contract in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 20 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I'm not for change but I think we can see after half a dozen games that they are not for being improved, either that or they can't be arsed which is probably even worse. If a player at this level cannot give you 90 minutes you have to question why we are even offering them a contract in the first place. How do you find out if they are able (or willing) to last 90 minutes of a competitive match? The only guaranteed way is to have recently watched them play for a 90 minute competitive match. Otherwise it is opinions and close knowledge of the player. That is why we get older players chosen by our older management team and clearly some selected can’t/won’t put that final effort in. The question we are getting answered this season is “ can our older experienced professionals cope with these teams who are full of energy and willing to throw players forward, and can we exploit the gaps they leave? “ Well we are struggling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Maybe rebuilding is a better word than consolidation because, let's face it, the last lot left precious little to consolidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 22 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I'm not for change but I think we can see after half a dozen games that they are not for being improved, either that or they can't be arsed which is probably even worse. If a player at this level cannot give you 90 minutes you have to question why we are even offering them a contract in the first place. Or just don't play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oafc1955 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 2 hours ago, BP1960 said: Or just don't play them. Wouldn’t win many games with only 4 players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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