Sloshed Joe Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, disjointed said: Went back to United as he had an injury. I'm sure the treatment facilities are far superior at Salford Royal. Where was it said that he had an injury? I read that about Carragher, but Wellens? Also, where is Roberts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Sloshed Joe said: Where was it said that he had an injury? I read that about Carragher, but Wellens? Also, where is Roberts? Roberts has gone back injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_b_100 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 The reason we are losing games from what I have seen (home games) are in tennis terms unforced errors. Constantly giving the ball to the opposing team and not enough care taken when defending. There was no reason Okagbue deftly cushioned his header right to the feet of the oncoming opposition player. There was no reason that Clarkes pass ratio was better when the ball landed at the feet of a player in red. Yes the manager can drop them .... but 433 4321 532 makes little difference until the silly mistakes stop. Where the formation makes it harder to win as we will inevitably concede and the gulf between defense and attack gets bigger as soon as we concede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, andy_b_100 said: The reason we are losing games from what I have seen (home games) are in tennis terms unforced errors. Constantly giving the ball to the opposing team and not enough care taken when defending. There was no reason Okagbue deftly cushioned his header right to the feet of the oncoming opposition player. There was no reason that Clarkes pass ratio was better when the ball landed at the feet of a player in red. Yes the manager can drop them .... but 433 4321 532 makes little difference until the silly mistakes stop. Where the formation makes it harder to win as we will inevitably concede and the gulf between defense and attack gets bigger as soon as we concede. Mistakes are made because we are on the back foot and don't take it to teams, how many times have Sheron, Clarke, Angol aimlessly hoofed the ball away to an opposition player in recent weeks, they cant be coaching or encouraging them to do that. Teams overload against us further up the pitch because of our defensive formation, if we played 4 at the back other teams wouldn't be able to commit as many men forward in case the play breaks down for them, look at our own second goal against Yeovil where Yeovil were happy at 1-0 down to commit every man and his dog to attack because they knew we'd sit in, they got done but it's basically risk and reward, we struggle when we go in front because it's just a numbers game and the reason why you need a manager whose not rigid but tactically astute. Granted some players have shortcomings but you can't set them up to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Mistakes are made because we are on the back foot and don't take it to teams, how many times have Sheron, Clarke, Angol aimlessly hoofed the ball away to an opposition player in recent weeks, they cant be coaching or encouraging them to do that. Teams overload against us further up the pitch because of our defensive formation, if we played 4 at the back other teams wouldn't be able to commit as many men forward in case the play breaks down for them, look at our own second goal against Yeovil where Yeovil were happy at 1-0 down to commit every man and his dog to attack because they knew we'd sit in, they got done but it's basically risk and reward, we struggle when we go in front because it's just a numbers game and the reason why you need a manager whose not rigid but tactically astute. Granted some players have shortcomings but you can't set them up to fail. I don’t even want to think about how many times Sheron just twats the ball to an opposition player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 3:38 PM, Lags said: I always remember Brian Clough's Nottingham Forest side that everyone said was too good to go down. They did. The fact of the matter is, we are where we are. Hopefully the side you've mentioned can get a run games together and climb away from the bottom 4. EDIT: Get Clarke away from the side They didn't look that good when we were 5-0 up after about 50 minutes at Boundary Park. No one is ever too good to go down. The best Oldham side (on paper and sometimes on the pitch) in the last 10 years was the one that was relegated from League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, rudemedic said: They didn't look that good when we were 5-0 up after about 50 minutes at Boundary Park. No one is ever too good to go down. The best Oldham side (on paper and sometimes on the pitch) in the last 10 years was the one that was relegated from League 1. Was that the side with Byrne in it, there was a lot going on behind the scenes at that time, Byrne was frozen out although the broken leg incident didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, disjointed said: Was that the side with Byrne in it, there was a lot going on behind the scenes at that time, Byrne was frozen out although the broken leg incident didn't help. The broken leg incident was after we had been relegated in close season. Byrne had been troublesome at every club he had been at before Oldham but I find it hard to believe he deliberately broke another players leg as the club alluded too. Especially as there was zero police involvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chaddyexile84 said: The broken leg incident was after we had been relegated in close season. Byrne had been troublesome at every club he had been at before Oldham but I find it hard to believe he deliberately broke another players leg as the club alluded too. Especially as there was zero police involvement I didn't think the club alluded to it, thought it was just social media ? ...and it'd be virtually impossible to prove a player deliberately broke someone's leg so police involvement would be very doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: I didn't think the club alluded to it, thought it was just social media ? ...and it'd be virtually impossible to prove a player deliberately broke someone's leg so police involvement would be very doubtful. Ok The club suspended him for a "serious" disciplinary issue right after he broke Fane's leg And sports people do get prosecuted for acts on the field, hard to prove yes, but not unheard of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyexile84 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: I didn't think the club alluded to it, thought it was just social media ? ...and it'd be virtually impossible to prove a player deliberately broke someone's leg so police involvement would be very doubtful. And in his own words https://extra.ie/2020/03/17/sport/soccernews/jack-byrne-oldham-incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 The club was looking for any reason to get rid of Byrne at that point. All the more expensive contracted players were picked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careca9 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: They didn't look that good when we were 5-0 up after about 50 minutes at Boundary Park. No one is ever too good to go down. The best Oldham side (on paper and sometimes on the pitch) in the last 10 years was the one that was relegated from League 1. It wasn’t the best as they went down but I agree it had the most talent. What it didn’t have was any fight, determination or desire as it wa as team of mercenaries. Hence working hard, getting stuck in are key to good sides. Something missing from this lot at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 To many players in that team stopped playing towards the end of that season because of AL. It wasn’t a lack of fight so much as a protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Pidge said: To many players in that team stopped playing towards the end of that season because of AL. It wasn’t a lack of fight so much as a protest. Yes..... if only. Richie Wellens had the team playing some of the best football we had seen for years - it was delightful to watch. Then, it suddenly went sour and we ended up going down. Many blamed Wellens. A manager whose team now sit at the top of League 2 - and who won manager of the month 2 months running in August and September this year. I remember being at the Northampton game that sent us down and just observing some of our players. Craig Davies, for example, came on as a sub and you could see he just literally did not give a damn. Looking back, it seems clearer now that there was some kind of "revolt" going on amongst the players; and I suspect it was more against the poison within the club rather than the manager etc. Will we ever have a chance of getting Wellens back as manager? (i.e. now there has been a purge of the poison within). Probably not... but exactly the type of manager we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, wiseowl said: Yes..... if only. Richie Wellens had the team playing some of the best football we had seen for years - it was delightful to watch. Then, it suddenly went sour and we ended up going down. Many blamed Wellens. A manager whose team now sit at the top of League 2 - and who won manager of the month 2 months running in August and September this year. I remember being at the Northampton game that sent us down and just observing some of our players. Craig Davies, for example, came on as a sub and you could see he just literally did not give a damn. Looking back, it seems clearer now that there was some kind of "revolt" going on amongst the players; and I suspect it was more against the poison within the club rather than the manager etc. Will we ever have a chance of getting Wellens back as manager? (i.e. now there has been a purge of the poison within). Probably not... but exactly the type of manager we need. The squad Wellens had at his disposal would be like a World Cup squad next to this lot but he was pissing against the wind with Mo & Co…..I don’t blame him in the slightest for our relegation!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics59 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: The squad Wellens had at his disposal would be like a World Cup squad next to this lot but he was pissing against the wind with Mo & Co…..I don’t blame him in the slightest for our relegation!! Totally agree—we were brilliant when we won at Portsmouth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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