Let the inquest begin.

[Littlemoor Lad]

7 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

Anyone for Lee Johnson

In this league, YES it's a no brainer 

[Astro]

5 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Worst take I've seen.  Barry?

What exactly do you disagree with? It would be handy to know, rather than relying on boring cliches such as suggesting Barry Owen lurks behind every account in this forum.

 

 

[IanMarshall's Mullet]

2 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

Promote from within, Paul Murray and the excellent youth team coach Chuka?

If I remember rightly he was pleased to hand over to someone else after that game he was in charge. Don't think he wants to be a manager..........

[Littlemoor Lad]

12 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

Believe me, businessmen do not buy football clubs to make a profit, especially in the National League!

Believe me, businessmen, don't get taken for a ride either.

Said it many times before, the goodwill and support from the Rothwells, shouldn't be taken for granted like it has been after two completely wasted season's.

No plan or real application from all those he's funding, the lot of them should hang their head's in shame, it's abysmal and that's putting it mildly.

[Boyyou]

Seriously wondering if one of the options is to sell or swap the likes of Hobson, Norwood,  Conlon (among the top earners), on top of trying to shift  so some of the contracted acted also-rans.

By the sounds of it, the 18 under contract already take up the vast majority of next season's budget so some drastic/creative effort is required to dig us out of this self- inflicted mess.

[mcfluff1985]

30 minutes ago, Astro said:

If the players and manager are getting held to account, then the same should be done to the very top of the club, and that means Rothwell has questions to answer. We can't continue with this infantile fawning over him; he's a multi-millionnaire businessman, looking to make a profit, so we should handle him as such. Mistakes have been made, many within the club derive their authority from Rothwell, and there's a naivety there.

 

A significant improvement is required at every layer because final third of the season has been absolutely unacceptable.

 

18 minutes ago, Astro said:

What exactly do you disagree with? It would be handy to know, rather than relying on boring cliches such as suggesting Barry Owen lurks behind every account in this forum.

 

 

"Rothwell" isn't to blame.

 

He isn't looking to make a profit.

[spanishfly]

32 minutes ago, Astro said:

If the players and manager are getting held to account, then the same should be done to the very top of the club, and that means Rothwell has questions to answer. We can't continue with this infantile fawning over him; he's a multi-millionnaire businessman, looking to make a profit, so we should handle him as such. Mistakes have been made, many within the club derive their authority from Rothwell, and there's a naivety there.

 

A significant improvement is required at every layer because final third of the season has been absolutely unacceptable.

From what I can glean Frank should be viewed more as a philanthropist for the Latics and the town of Oldham rather than someone out to make money. We have an awful lot to thank him for and he should be the last person to come under scrutiny in my view. It may be however that he has to take a long, hard look at who he is entrusting the football decisions to. If the wages being paid to some of the players are anywhere near as rumoured, that's almost criminal. That's where the focus should be. Who has sanctioned the wasting of Frank's money?

Edited April 20 by spanishfly

[mick26]

30 minutes ago, spanishfly said:

Having listened to MM's post match there are only 2 possible conclusions I think

 

1) The board back him and sanction a clearout a) all those out of contract gone and b) some bad apples who are contracted paid off and gone too. Then, in the summer, recruit some specialists as MM calls them for the required positions. This option is expensive

 

2) There is a mutually agreed parting of the ways. This option is cheaper, certainly short term.

 

I say the above because he's clearly stated that the group of players is not good enough. Once you've said that, you can't keep operating with that same group next season because they simply won't play for you when the going gets tough. 

 

I agree with his "I don't understand why people don't understand" comment. Since I started watching us again against Woking at home, all I have seen is an average non-league team. I couldn't believe some of the rumoured wages we were paying. The club has been shafted good and proper on that score and that would indicate considerable naivety at board level surely?

 

It could be argued good management could have got more out of the group. He probably has squeezed them for all they had, though, because weren't we absolutely shocking under DU? Therefore, we have done better under MM, only not what we expected for what we had spent.

 

It looks like we threw a huge wad of cash at the DU experiment and it's failed. MM shouldn't carry the can for that. One player I have seen who definitely exhibits the required attitude, fight and passion is Fondop (and I said it almost from day one of watching us again). If anyone had watched Norwood, for example, just since end of January (as I have) you'd be  hard pressed to identify him as a star striker. I don't think he wants to be here at all personally.

 

It's a mess ok and MM mentions "other stuff going on" or words to that effect. Trust him to do his job in the summer, for me. 

 

 

I was told option 1 today but I suppose things can change very quickly after yet another disaster at BP.

[oafc1955]

12 minutes ago, Boyyou said:

Seriously wondering if one of the options is to sell or swap the likes of Hobson, Norwood,  Conlon (among the top earners), on top of trying to shift  so some of the contracted acted also-rans.

By the sounds of it, the 18 under contract already take up the vast majority of next season's budget so some drastic/creative effort is required to dig us out of this self- inflicted mess.

I was Told today that Norwood & Conlon won’t be here next season.

[spanishfly]

3 minutes ago, mick26 said:

I was told option 1 today but I suppose things can change very quickly after yet another disaster at BP.

Yes I heard similar a few weeks back and posted same on here. It can only be back him or sack him after what's come out of the woodwork.

[deyres42]

13 minutes ago, spanishfly said:

From what I can glean Frank should be viewed more as a philanthropist for the Latics and the town of Oldham rather than someone out to make money. We have an awful lot to thank him for and he should be the last person to come under scrutiny in my view. It may be however that he has to take a long, hard look at who he is entrusting the football decisions to. If the wages being paid to some of the players are anywhere near as rumoured, that's almost criminal. That's where the focus should be. Who has sanctioned the wasting of Frank's money?

Has it been wasted or just not utilised properly yet?

[spanishfly]

5 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

I was Told today that Norwood & Conlon won’t be here next season.

Don't think either want to be here, so no bad thing if that's correct.

[TwistingMyMellon]

4 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

I was Told today that Norwood & Conlon won’t be here next season.

 

Good. Especially Norwood. Go and be a primadonna in someone else's team.

[spanishfly]

Just now, deyres42 said:

Has it been wasted or just not utilised properly yet?

Personally I think wasted. Better players available throughout non-league than what we have. Probably for far less money too. It sounds like "spend spend Viv" had a stint at BP for a few months previously!

[oafcmetty]

8 minutes ago, TwistingMyMellon said:

 

Good. Especially Norwood. Go and be a primadonna in someone else's team.

Nailed on to sign for FGR and bag a hattrick against us on opening day.

[Littlemoor Lad]

1 minute ago, oafcmetty said:

Nailed on to sign for FGR and bag a hattrick against us on opening day.

Don't be silly

Obviously got a far better offer than an extended period in NON league

[TwistingMyMellon]

13 minutes ago, oafcmetty said:

Nailed on to sign for FGR and bag a hattrick against us on opening day.

 

Nah. Him and big Mike Fondop would have a big punch up in the first minute and both get sent off...

[BP1960]

59 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

I was Told today that Norwood & Conlon won’t be here next season.

 

Team spirit should improve at least.

[hollandspies]

MM’s interview today he spoke highly of the Rothwell family and Darren… 

“People I couldn’t speak highly enough of, unbelievable, absolutely terrific, fantastic people, BUT what’s been put together at the minute isn’t matching up to what needs to be done…..” 

Do I detect that to be a dig, suggesting that in purely a footballing sense, there’s a complete lack of business acumen between them? 
 

“Other things going on” - I suspect that despite their amicable personal friendships, he’s challenged their naiveity in decisions made with personnel, length of contracts, budget, etc.

His hands are now tied indefinitely, as he’s without the tools he needs to ‘win football matches’.

Professionally, they are no longer seeing eye to eye, for now, they are at a crossroads.

He’s laid his cards down - they all need to sit down and talk through this mess. 

Whatever the outcome is of these talks, it’s going to cost the Rothwell’s a significant amount of money.
They either dance to MM’s tune, or they pay him off and start what they started 2 seasons ago, all over again. 

so where does the majority of blame lie? 

The board?

Unsworth?

Mellon? 

Norwood, Sheron, all, or A N Other? 

Edited April 20 by hollandspies

[Dave_Og]

2 hours ago, Astro said:

If the players and manager are getting held to account, then the same should be done to the very top of the club, and that means Rothwell has questions to answer. We can't continue with this infantile fawning over him; he's a multi-millionnaire businessman, looking to make a profit, so we should handle him as such. Mistakes have been made, many within the club derive their authority from Rothwell, and there's a naivety there.

 

A significant improvement is required at every layer because final third of the season has been absolutely unacceptable.

Good grief 

[JohnnyPimp]

Poor old Frank is beginning to understand the harsh reality that bad recruitment in football costs you a year’s worth of wages, rather than a month’s notice.

[True Tic]

46 minutes ago, JohnnyPimp said:

Poor old Frank is beginning to understand the harsh reality that bad recruitment in football costs you a year’s worth of wages, rather than a month’s notice.

The contracts players are on, particularly the “ better “ players seem to be literally a guarantee of decent money regardless of what happens or how they perform. They do something totally stupid or fail

 to perform and they still have their contracts paid off?? It’s bizarre . 

[Dave_Og]

5 hours ago, True Tic said:

The contracts players are on, particularly the “ better “ players seem to be literally a guarantee of decent money regardless of what happens or how they perform. They do something totally stupid or fail

 to perform and they still have their contracts paid off?? It’s bizarre . 

Welcome to football 

[scamp04]

Chesterfield fan in peace

Having done a 6 year stretch at this level it took us so long to get the formula right.

 

You remind me a lot of us in those first couple of seasons down here, we had Martin Allen in the first year and we just kept drawing games (I think 8 or 9 in a row at one point)

 

It's so difficult for a relegated side to get the  momentum back and one thing you definitely need is a positive manager. All of our players say how enthusiastic and positive Cook is and he's really lifted the fans since he came back.

 

Cook said when he came back constantly referred to our squad being too big, having 35 players at that point this season we've pretty much got through with a 23 man squad. I think I recognise that a little bit with you guys having a big squad this season. Trimming off the fat and getting quality in each area was key. We had a competitive budget this season but it was only the 3rd biggest in the league. (We only had two forwards all season don't forget )

 

This season I've also noticed is there doesn't seem to be any big egos anymore in the side. Cook has said this is the best set of personalities he's ever managed. When we first dropped to this level I can remember us signing players who were looking for one last pay day and thats never good. You need a mix of experience but still with the desire to do well (Grigg/Naylor/Jones) and the young upcoming (Dobra/Berry/Hobson)

 

The other thing you've got to do is get yourself out of the mindset that we should be beating (Altrincham/Bromley/Solihull) because of your clubs former football league history. We had a period of time where we showed a lack of respect for these sort of sides as players as well as fans. We regularly got frustrated to the point, that the players froze in home games and we relied on our away form to not drop out the league into the Conference North. Cook and Danny Webb prepare for every game as a tough one and that no one will be a push over.

 

The leagues also improved massively in terms of the brand of football whilst we've been down here and nowadays teams are more likely to get out of here playing good football. The other thing is that you'll get out this league by attacking we have conceded more than Kidderminster but have already scored 100 goals.

 

Prior to Cook coming in we were top of the league under James Rowe but the entire team was built around the goals of one player Kabongo Tshimanga who scored over 50 percent of the teams goals but, he then broke his leg and we had a terrible second half of the season. Cooks re-dressed that balance and most of the midfield have got 15-20 goal contributions (goals and assists) each this season. You've signed Norwood but, the balance seems to be wrong elsewhere.

 

You need pace as well, as some teams will be difficult to break down. Last season we kept the ball well but struggled to break teams down. We signed Colclough last season and Berry this season who are quick and we've used this to our advantage by rotating the front four to bring on quick players to run at tired legs late on.

 

The good news is that once you get it right, getting out of this league is completely rejuvenating for your club. It's an amazing feeling to finally get out of the most difficult league in the country!
 

[mick26]

5 minutes ago, scamp04 said:

Chesterfield fan in peace

Having done a 6 year stretch at this level it took us so long to get the formula right.

 

You remind me a lot of us in those first couple of seasons down here, we had Martin Allen in the first year and we just kept drawing games (I think 8 or 9 in a row at one point)

 

It's so difficult for a relegated side to get the  momentum back and one thing you definitely need is a positive manager. All of our players say how enthusiastic and positive Cook is and he's really lifted the fans since he came back.

 

Cook said when he came back constantly referred to our squad being too big, having 35 players at that point this season we've pretty much got through with a 23 man squad. I think I recognise that a little bit with you guys having a big squad this season. Trimming off the fat and getting quality in each area was key. We had a competitive budget this season but it was only the 3rd biggest in the league. (We only had two forwards all season don't forget )

 

This season I've also noticed is there doesn't seem to be any big egos anymore in the side. Cook has said this is the best set of personalities he's ever managed. When we first dropped to this level I can remember us signing players who were looking for one last pay day and thats never good. You need a mix of experience but still with the desire to do well (Grigg/Naylor/Jones) and the young upcoming (Dobra/Berry/Hobson)

 

The other thing you've got to do is get yourself out of the mindset that we should be beating (Altrincham/Bromley/Solihull) because of your clubs former football league history. We had a period of time where we showed a lack of respect for these sort of sides as players as well as fans. We regularly got frustrated to the point, that the players froze in home games and we relied on our away form to not drop out the league into the Conference North. Cook and Danny Webb prepare for every game as a tough one and that no one will be a push over.

 

The leagues also improved massively in terms of the brand of football whilst we've been down here and nowadays teams are more likely to get out of here playing good football. The other thing is that you'll get out this league by attacking we have conceded more than Kidderminster but have already scored 100 goals.

 

Prior to Cook coming in we were top of the league under James Rowe but the entire team was built around the goals of one player Kabongo Tshimanga who scored over 50 percent of the teams goals but, he then broke his leg and we had a terrible second half of the season. Cooks re-dressed that balance and most of the midfield have got 15-20 goal contributions (goals and assists) each this season. You've signed Norwood but, the balance seems to be wrong elsewhere.

 

You need pace as well, as some teams will be difficult to break down. Last season we kept the ball well but struggled to break teams down. We signed Colclough last season and Berry this season who are quick and we've used this to our advantage by rotating the front four to bring on quick players to run at tired legs late on.

 

The good news is that once you get it right, getting out of this league is completely rejuvenating for your club. It's an amazing feeling to finally get out of the most difficult league in the country!
 

Good post - doesn't make us feel any better at the moment though! (Can't see Mellon becoming positive any time soon).