Let the inquest begin.

[JoeP]

43 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

I know what good looks like too!!

 

 

It is a strange statement. I don't think you need to be "the most experienced person here" to know what it looks like. Real Madrid look alright, Arsenal, Bayen Munich..

 

It sure as fuck ain't this...

[yarddog73]

What I want to know regardless of whether we look good or not is.

 

Why when we were top of and 8 game form table less than two months ago have we slipped to the bottom of it just 9 games later, it's almost bizarre. 

[AndyB2]

22 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

The Rothwell’s are here for the long haul, I’m sure of that, but there will now be a realisation of the size of the job they’ve took on.

The close season should be interesting to say the least.
There are no guarantees with Mellon and if we set off poorly next season it would be a massive decision to keep him on under what will no doubt be fierce criticism and huge pressure from the terraces.

 

Mellon does not see out October if he starts next season, which is in doubt for me 

Edited April 20 by AndyB2

[Pidge]

4 hours ago, yarddog73 said:

Oh dear the apologist has turned up, as a 'club' they've performed piss poor in this regard since Frank walked in the door two years ago, you want to give them another summer without anybody asking a question or receiving any answers?. Something is fundamentally wrong with the recruitment of players yet we appear to be just ploughing down the same route again and again, what's changing this summer then?.

If I’m an “apologist”, let’s give you a name, erm , I’m struggling to find a word for “I hate everyone”. 
 

How many players did you want to retain? You don’t fancy Mellon and now everyone with anything to do with recruitment have performed “piss poor”:

Kind of loosing credibility isn’t it?

[yarddog73]

44 minutes ago, Pidge said:

If I’m an “apologist”, let’s give you a name, erm , I’m struggling to find a word for “I hate everyone”. 
 

How many players did you want to retain? You don’t fancy Mellon and now everyone with anything to do with recruitment have performed “piss poor”:

Kind of loosing credibility isn’t it?

Who Mellon, 100%.

 

Call me what you want I don't care but please don't start piping shit up when a teams gone out again, been comprehensively outplayed and had their bellies tickled, again.

 

We are currently on our worst winless run in about 15 years. Like I said from Royle down they can all get in the bin for me because they are shit, incompetent and have little desire to succeed. A fucking embarrassment the lot of them.

[Pidge]

53 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

Who Mellon, 100%.

 

Call me what you want I don't care but please don't start piping shit up when a teams gone out again, been comprehensively outplayed and had their bellies tickled, again.

 

We are currently on our worst winless run in about 15 years. Like I said from Royle down they can all get in the bin for me because they are shit, incompetent and have little desire to succeed. A fucking embarrassment the lot of them.

The truth is I agree that we need big changes. The players stopped playing for Mellon, some weeks ago. A quite similar squad stopped playing for Unsworth. Until last week I was hoping they would sort it out and start playing again.  Clearly the fault lies with Mellon’s man management. It also lies with a group of players who have twice, arguably, three times got managers sacked.

 

I don’t know where we start. By the way the name for someone who hates everyone is Misanthrope. ( I looked it up.)

[League one forever]

What the fuck do we do now? 
 

Sack Mellon - justifiable after 1 win in 14. But it’s another hit to the budget and the new guy has a lot of same problems with the squad. 
 

Keep him- and he’s alienated a lot of players here for next season, they just aren’t playing for him. He signs more older heads (which is what good looks to him) and I’ve no faith we are a few players short of complete turnaround. 
 

What a mess. Honestly don’t know where we go from here. 

[Wardie]

40 minutes ago, League one forever said:

What the fuck do we do now? 
 

Sack Mellon - justifiable after 1 win in 14. But it’s another hit to the budget and the new guy has a lot of same problems with the squad. 
 

Keep him- and he’s alienated a lot of players here for next season, they just aren’t playing for him. He signs more older heads (which is what good looks to him) and I’ve no faith we are a few players short of complete turnaround. 
 

What a mess. Honestly don’t know where we go from here. 

We allow the dust to settle, enjoy the summer and let the drama unfold, which it inevitably will.

[BP1960]

46 minutes ago, League one forever said:

What the fuck do we do now? 
 

Sack Mellon - justifiable after 1 win in 14. But it’s another hit to the budget and the new guy has a lot of same problems with the squad. 
 

Keep him- and he’s alienated a lot of players here for next season, they just aren’t playing for him. He signs more older heads (which is what good looks to him) and I’ve no faith we are a few players short of complete turnaround. 
 

What a mess. Honestly don’t know where we go from here. 

 

Promote from within, Paul Murray and the excellent youth team coach Chuka?

Edited April 20 by BP1960

[BP1960]

6 hours ago, AndyB2 said:

Mellon does not see out October if he starts next season, which is in doubt for me 

 

Then it's a panicky January transfer window and this season repeated again. I'd promote the excellent youth team coach who'd get even this lot playing attacking football.

[AndyB2]

2 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

Then it's a panicky January transfer window and this season repeated again. I'd promote the excellent youth team coach who'd get even this lot playing attacking football.

Yep.

 

looking forward to hearing some reflections from the club 

[League one forever]

6 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

Then it's a panicky January transfer window and this season repeated again. I'd promote the excellent youth team coach who'd get even this lot playing attacking football.

Good shout BP. 
 

Could be an option. 

[yarddog73]

I'll remind everyone again we have Murray to thank for the pleasure of seeing McGahey week in week out, no thanks.

[deyres42]

Murray, no, absolutely not.

[oafcmetty]

9 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

Murray, no, absolutely not.

Why not?

[the_mighty_bosh]

53 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

Promote from within, Paul Murray and the excellent youth team coach Chuka?

 

This is why I think Mellon is the least worst option at the start of next season.

 

I don't think this would necessarily be a bad idea in general, but it would show that the board have no idea what they are doing to do a complete u-turn in style and philosophy in this instance.  I want the board to show courage in their convictions when it comes to key decisions instead of swaying from one strategy to another.

 

Despite his record of promotions, Mellon has got a lot to prove at the start of next season after such an appalling run to close out the season.  That said, he has proven on four occasions that he knows how to get teams promoted (twice at this level) when he's had a summer window to work with.  I don't fully trust him, but I trust him more than any of the other key decision makers at the club right now.

[BP1960]

17 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I'll remind everyone again we have Murray to thank for the pleasure of seeing McGahey week in week out, no thanks.

 

No we haven't it was a one off suggestion for the Altrincham Cup tie which we won.

It was MM who continued it when McGahey was sussed out.

 

[Dave_Og]

40 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

I'll remind everyone again we have Murray to thank for the pleasure of seeing McGahey week in week out, no thanks.

Murray wasn't even in a football role until he came here, he was administrative. There's no indication whatsoever that he's remotely interested in becoming a manager.

[Guy Branston Pickle]

2 hours ago, League one forever said:

What the fuck do we do now? 
 

Sack Mellon - justifiable after 1 win in 14. But it’s another hit to the budget and the new guy has a lot of same problems with the squad. 
 

Keep him- and he’s alienated a lot of players here for next season, they just aren’t playing for him. He signs more older heads (which is what good looks to him) and I’ve no faith we are a few players short of complete turnaround. 
 

What a mess. Honestly don’t know where we go from here. 

If Mellon goes the only solution I see is going big and throwing money at someone from the division above with a proven track record like Stockport did with Challinor. I'd love a young, progressive manager but absolutely no way they'd get the time or patience to implement their ideas with the way our fanbase is at the moment. The other scenario is we're just ending up with a manager similar to Mellon. 

 

I think fingers need to be pointed above Mellon too, as many on here has said. Recruitment has been consistently poor. We can't afford it to be again this summer 

[yarddog73]

Anyone for Lee Johnson

[mick26]

47 minutes ago, Dave_Og said:

Murray wasn't even in a football role until he came here, he was administrative. There's no indication whatsoever that he's remotely interested in becoming a manager.

He got the Carlisle job about 10 years ago and was sacked after 7 games! Not sure that's a true reflection of his managerial credentials though.

[Astro]

If the players and manager are getting held to account, then the same should be done to the very top of the club, and that means Rothwell has questions to answer. We can't continue with this infantile fawning over him; he's a multi-millionnaire businessman, looking to make a profit, so we should handle him as such. Mistakes have been made, many within the club derive their authority from Rothwell, and there's a naivety there.

 

A significant improvement is required at every layer because final third of the season has been absolutely unacceptable.

[mcfluff1985]

2 minutes ago, Astro said:

If the players and manager are getting held to account, then the same should be done to the very top of the club, and that means Rothwell has questions to answer. We can't continue with this infantile fawning over him; he's a multi-millionnaire businessman, looking to make a profit, so we should handle him as such. Mistakes have been made, many within the club derive their authority from Rothwell, and there's a naivety there.

 

A significant improvement is required at every layer because final third of the season has been absolutely unacceptable.

Worst take I've seen.  Barry?

[oafc1955]

1 minute ago, Astro said:

he's a multi-millionnaire businessman, looking to make a profit,

Believe me, businessmen do not buy football clubs to make a profit, especially in the National League!

[spanishfly]

Having listened to MM's post match there are only 2 possible conclusions I think

 

1) The board back him and sanction a clearout a) all those out of contract gone and b) some bad apples who are contracted paid off and gone too. Then, in the summer, recruit some specialists as MM calls them for the required positions. This option is expensive

 

2) There is a mutually agreed parting of the ways. This option is cheaper, certainly short term.

 

I say the above because he's clearly stated that the group of players is not good enough. Once you've said that, you can't keep operating with that same group next season because they simply won't play for you when the going gets tough. 

 

I agree with his "I don't understand why people don't understand" comment. Since I started watching us again against Woking at home, all I have seen is an average non-league team. I couldn't believe some of the rumoured wages we were paying. The club has been shafted good and proper on that score and that would indicate considerable naivety at board level surely?

 

It could be argued good management could have got more out of the group. He probably has squeezed them for all they had, though, because weren't we absolutely shocking under DU? Therefore, we have done better under MM, only not what we expected for what we had spent.

 

It looks like we threw a huge wad of cash at the DU experiment and it's failed. MM shouldn't carry the can for that. One player I have seen who definitely exhibits the required attitude, fight and passion is Fondop (and I said it almost from day one of watching us again). If anyone had watched Norwood, for example, just since end of January (as I have) you'd be  hard pressed to identify him as a star striker. I don't think he wants to be here at all personally.

 

It's a mess ok and MM mentions "other stuff going on" or words to that effect. Trust him to do his job in the summer, for me.