singe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, kowenicki said: So which directors were involved back then? August 2011 was it? Corney and Owen... who else? 3 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I think Hill was a constant. Rest had revolving doors fitted Alan Hardy left about 6 weeks before the announcement, but was ill. Alan is around at the moment, maybe helping with "enquiries"? Peter Heginbotham from the Trust also left but about a week before the announcement. Gazal, Blitz & John Newton left about a year before. Around the time, involved would have been Corney, Hill, Owen, Heginbottom & Hardy. Would indicate it's primarily aimed at Corney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, singe said: Alan Hardy left about 6 weeks before the announcement, but was ill. Alan is around at the moment, maybe helping with "enquiries"? Peter Heginbotham from the Trust also left but about a week before the announcement. Gazal, Blitz & John Newton left about a year before. Around the time, involved would have been Corney, Hill, Owen, Heginbottom & Hardy. Would indicate it's primarily aimed at Corney. I could be wrong but over the last few months legal letters leaked with regards to Directors in situ circa November 2016? Brooke Corney Gee Hill Owen Off top of my head that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, underdog said: I could be wrong but over the last few months legal letters leaked with regards to Directors in situ circa November 2016? Brooke Corney Gee Hill Owen Off top of my head that is True enough T but they said:The allegations are mainly against those who had dealings with Oldham Council when grant money was allocated to the club towards the building of the North Stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, singe said: True enough T but they said:The allegations are mainly against those who had dealings with Oldham Council when grant money was allocated to the club towards the building of the North Stand. The complaint is about the former owners at the time, no one else it seems. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/oldham-board-file-police-complaint-against-former-owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, singe said: True enough T but they said:The allegations are mainly against those who had dealings with Oldham Council when grant money was allocated to the club towards the building of the North Stand. Ohps yes sorry.....would this include Neil Joy too then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, underdog said: Ohps yes sorry.....would this include Neil Joy too then? Was Mike Newton here then and Mike Nuttall the football club trust finance director? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, underdog said: Ohps yes sorry.....would this include Neil Joy too then? He was only a Director from Jan 2015 to Sept 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, singe said: He was only a Director from Jan 2015 to Sept 2016. So he was on CH. I know I have found a historic document from the Council. It is called Capital Programme Grant 2012/16. Dated 22/2/16 In it is the proposed monies for that period. It shows OAFC were to be issued a grant for the the year 2013/14 of £400K. I was struggling to find other stuff around the possible Lancaster club stuff....I can only think monies came from here too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 So the end game here is, Marco assumes control of the North stand as it wasn't really the property of Blitz/Gazal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, underdog said: So he was on CH. I know I have found a historic document from the Council. It is called Capital Programme Grant 2012/16. Dated 22/2/16 In it is the proposed monies for that period. It shows OAFC were to be issued a grant for the the year 2013/14 of £400K. I was struggling to find other stuff around the possible Lancaster club stuff....I can only think monies came from here too I've posted a lot of the Lancaster stuff including the Public Pack, here it is. That £400k seems new, cannot recall that from that time. Public pack including redacted info https://t.co/5RNWh6idaX?amp=1 £700k grant https://t.co/1Wagu2LbcG?amp=1 https://t.co/iADq24SPdL?amp=1 And the MEN https://t.co/Ddp3LpxN0M?amp=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senor_Coconut Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, disjointed said: So the end game here is, Marco assumes control of the North stand as it wasn't really the property of Blitz/Gazal. But built on land that hasn't been owned by the club in 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, singe said: I've posted a lot of the Lancaster stuff including the Public Pack, here it is. That £400k seems new, cannot recall that from that time. Public pack including redacted info https://t.co/5RNWh6idaX?amp=1 £700k grant https://t.co/1Wagu2LbcG?amp=1 https://t.co/iADq24SPdL?amp=1 And the MEN https://t.co/Ddp3LpxN0M?amp=1 bloody buggers like to hide things eh.....cheers appreciate this. Don;t think I can upload the full document i have let me know if you want me to email you a copy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 hours ago, singe said: I've posted a lot of the Lancaster stuff including the Public Pack, here it is. That £400k seems new, cannot recall that from that time. Public pack including redacted info https://t.co/5RNWh6idaX?amp=1 £700k grant https://t.co/1Wagu2LbcG?amp=1 https://t.co/iADq24SPdL?amp=1 And the MEN https://t.co/Ddp3LpxN0M?amp=1 singe Would it be fair to summarise as: Under Latics owner Corney: Corney obtains grant from Council Some monies paid to his business partners (Blitz & Gazal) Some monies go towards building of North Stand Club poor payment record forces Contractor to go bump before completion of North Stand Club transfer ‘ownership’ to BrassbankLtd (Blitz & Gazal) for maybe as little as £1. Brassbank Ltd (Blitz & Gazal) open OEC Ltd trading in North Stand, which includes service agreement on match days with the Club Corney sells Club to AL, the Stadium and Land not included Brassbank Ltd in negotiations with FLG (headed by Contractor that went bump) to sell Stadium and Land to them Brassbank appoint FLG to manage the OEC from the North Stand Club in dispute with FLG/OEC over service agreement contract Club in dispute with Brassbank Ltd over ownership of the North Stand (and maybe more) Is that about it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, tGWB said: singe Would it be fair to summarise as: Under Latics owner Corney: Corney obtains grant from Council Some monies paid to his business partners (Blitz & Gazal) Some monies go towards building of North Stand Club poor payment record forces Contractor to go bump before completion of North Stand Club transfer ‘ownership’ to BrassbankLtd (Blitz & Gazal) for maybe as little as £1. Brassbank Ltd (Blitz & Gazal) open OEC Ltd trading in North Stand, which includes service agreement on match days with the Club Corney sells Club to AL, the Stadium and Land not included Brassbank Ltd in negotiations with FLG (headed by Contractor that went bump) to sell Stadium and Land to them Brassbank appoint FLG to manage the OEC from the North Stand Club in dispute with FLG/OEC over service agreement contract Club in dispute with Brassbank Ltd over ownership of the North Stand (and maybe more) Is that about it ? I think that’s a fair summary, my slight addition to this, but it’s only my guess though, is that Corney had to transfer the stand to Blitz and Gazal so they could fund its completion. Whatever the outcome, it’s the hiatus the club is going to continue to be in whilst a Police investigation takes place that worries me. God knows what state Oldham Athletic will be in by the time there is any sort of conclusion to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, ghostofcecere said: I think that’s a fair summary, my slight addition to this, but it’s only my guess though, is that Corney had to transfer the stand to Blitz and Gazal so they could fund its completion. Its how much the North Stand was transferred over to Brassbank (Blitz & Gazal) for which is likely to be the dispute Even a 3/4 complete North Stand would have significant value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 The Club have not owned the ground nor any of the Stands or land as far as I’m aware since the time it was sold to the Council back in the JWL years. Moore could have bought it but didn’t. The land including the stadium was bought by Blitz, Gazal with Corney from the Council in 2004 for £4m I think after we came out of Administration and it was always owned separately from OAFC (2004) Ltd. The North Stand was paid for by Blitz and Gazal although I think Corney contributed, probably using Club income. I suspect that the action being taken now relates purely to the £700k “grant”, aka hush money, paid by the Council to help finance the North Stand (cost £6m) following the Failsworth debacle. Unless AL was duped into thinking he was buying the lot from Corney, I would imagine this action is more spiteful as opposed to expecting any kind of financial windfall. Just an opinion but I’m sure I’m right about the first paragraph. I’m currently in Dubai where it’s 29c by the roof top pool and the beer is great! A bit of superfluous information (sorry) but it’s leading me onto the next point. As I can’t make the Q&A with Blitz (off to Abu Dhabi next week), maybe someone could try to ascertain some of the above? Wrap up warm and I’m really glad I’m not there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just because the land wasn't owned by OAFC (2004) Ltd it doesn't mean that the stand couldn't have been. It all depends on what was agreed between the parties at the time. The suggestion I get from all this is that OMBC might have required ownership of the stand to rest with OAFC (2004) Ltd and this is supported by the apparent subsequent transfer of the stand to Brassbank at what would appear at first sight to be less than market value. The problem for us is that all this makes a transfer of ownership from Marco & Mo less likely particularly if the police decide to get stuck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLYOWD Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 17 hours ago, singe said: I've posted a lot of the Lancaster stuff including the Public Pack, here it is. That £400k seems new, cannot recall that from that time. Public pack including redacted info https://t.co/5RNWh6idaX?amp=1 £700k grant https://t.co/1Wagu2LbcG?amp=1 https://t.co/iADq24SPdL?amp=1 And the MEN https://t.co/Ddp3LpxN0M?amp=1 I read somewhere the grant would be paid in stages as work progressed I’ve not checked any dates so sorry if I’m wrong I often am (always wrong if you ask my wife) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Inspiral_Carpet said: The Club have not owned the ground nor any of the Stands or land as far as I’m aware since the time it was sold to the Council back in the JWL years. Moore could have bought it but didn’t. The land including the stadium was bought by Blitz, Gazal with Corney from the Council in 2004 for £4m I think after we came out of Administration and it was always owned separately from OAFC (2004) Ltd. The North Stand was paid for by Blitz and Gazal although I think Corney contributed, probably using Club income. Timelines dont work for me on the ownership point, will need to check filed accounts but 2003 Brassbank Ltd registered 2004 Blitz Gazal and Corney buy the Club 2010 Blitz & Gazal step down from Club leaving Corney in charge 2011/12 North Stand build Question for me is, if OAFC (2004) Ltd didn’t own the new build, why would they use Latics funds to build it (IF they did), surely that would be down to the Stadium owners, Blitz & Gazal (IF it was) Plot thickens me thickens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoutsider Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, tGWB said: Timelines dont work for me on the ownership point, will need to check filed accounts but 2003 Brassbank Ltd registered 2004 Blitz Gazal and Corney buy the Club 2010 Blitz & Gazal step down from Club leaving Corney in charge 2011/12 North Stand build Question for me is, if OAFC (2004) Ltd didn’t own the new build, why would they use Latics funds to build it (IF they did), surely that would be down to the Stadium owners, Blitz & Gazal (IF it was) Plot thickens me thickens Tenants improvements? OAFC didn’t fund all of the build (costs in the region of £7-million) plus OEC has debt with RBS (see companies house) Couple of Accountants on here (Glossop Latic?) who might add to this, but don’t think it would be unreasonable for the club to have funded some of the build anyway given they would commercially benefit from it? Edit, Brassbank has assets charged to RBS not OEC Edit, OAFC accounts for y/e 2014 evidence increase in tangible assets and reference adjustments due to income from grant funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, tGWB said: Timelines dont work for me on the ownership point, will need to check filed accounts but 2003 Brassbank Ltd registered 2004 Blitz Gazal and Corney buy the Club 2010 Blitz & Gazal step down from Club leaving Corney in charge 2011/12 North Stand build Question for me is, if OAFC (2004) Ltd didn’t own the new build, why would they use Latics funds to build it (IF they did), surely that would be down to the Stadium owners, Blitz & Gazal (IF it was) Plot thickens me thickens The timeline works fine for me. Blitz and Gazal didn’t need to be involved with OAFC to fund the new stand especially as they own the land and stadium. As @Theoutsider says, the majority of funding came from Blitz and maybe Gazal in some shape or form. But who knows really as it’s all a bit covert especially when you throw OEC and Brassbank into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I may be completely thick here or completely missed something but... Corney sold ONLY the club i.e. name, team as assets, running costs and liabilities to Lemsagam. As far as I’m aware, the above sale did NOT include the land, stadium, north stand, car park, OEC etc. At time of sale, it wasn’t owned by the club nor Corney. Therefore even if there were wrong-doings prior to that sale, Lemsagam/the club today have no legal entitlement because it wasn’t included in the sale?! Its not as if Corney included the north stand in the sale to Lemsagam then, post-sale , it was discovered that it wasn’t actually owned by Corney. I’m confused?! Then again, I think it’s all bollocks to detract attention from recruitment/strengthening the team. Lemsagam uses this as excuse that he's unwilling to pump money in because he’s been fucked over. I knew he was trying to get out and sell the club, this is a desperate attempt to justify no further investment and try and recoup some losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I remember being told at one point as the north stand was near completion, that Simon Corney had been planning to put 2 MRI/CT scanners into the stand because he had been promised up to 15,000 scans per year from Oldham Royal. At the time I heard this, the bad news from Oldham Royal was that they were now estimating only 3000 scans per year. Mr Corney was planning to only put one scanner in. Obviously we ended up with none, but surely Corney must have put some of his own money in for this scanner project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastap Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 My assumption would be that the grant, was given to benefit the club and OAFC community. The way things progressed, that money was to some extent just siphoned out to gazal and blitz. If there was clear stipulation as to what the grant was for, I would have thought they would have had to return it. Although if this is the case it would mean brassbank owe the council and not the club. Disclaimer: just speculation, hopefully the Q&A will give some more factual information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Pidge said: I remember being told at one point as the north stand was near completion, that Simon Corney had been planning to put 2 MRI/CT scanners into the stand because he had been promised up to 15,000 scans per year from Oldham Royal. At the time I heard this, the bad news from Oldham Royal was that they were now estimating only 3000 scans per year. Mr Corney was planning to only put one scanner in. Obviously we ended up with none, but surely Corney must have put some of his own money in for this scanner project. That’s true, he had a company registered to run it from the ground floor unit that is still empty. Think it was to be in partnership with Hitachi but they pulled out. I don’t think he put much money into it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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