kowenicki Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 So Bolton didn’t tell Doncaster (they found out via Twitter) or the EFL. They are also charging Bolton fans for refunds of their tickets. The administrators running Bolton right now are a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, rudemedic said: Saw something in a paper via Twitter that if Bury go bust it is one less relegation place for Leagues 1 & 2. You'd have to expect that if both Bury and Bolton go bust there is no relegation from League 2. If this comes true, then the Lord really does move in mysterious ways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Bolton Wanderers has this afternoon announced it will not fulfil its League One fixture against Doncaster Rovers on Tuesday 20 August 2019. The Club has stated it has taken the decision to postpone the game as a result of concerns over the welfare of its young players, given the frequency of fixtures and the impact this would have on their physical and emotional well-being. The EFL understands the challenging position the Club currently finds itself in whilst negotiations continue over its purchase. However, it would have expected the Club to have first interfaced with the EFL, giving it an opportunity to consider the application to postpone, and consulted with the Club’s opposition, Doncaster Rovers before making a public announcement. The EFL remains acutely aware of the ongoing risks this challenging and complex situation has to the integrity of the competition. Bolton are taking the piss, but the EFL are complicit in all of this. They should have treated Bolton in exactly the same way as Bury have been treated. The EFL are run by clueless cronies football is fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, disjointed said: Bolton are taking the piss, but the EFL are complicit in all of this. They should have treated Bolton in exactly the same way as Bury have been treated. The EFL are run by clueless cronies football is fucked. Totally agree. There should be further sanctions here. You can’t just decide to not play a game. Seriously, what the actual fuck?! They shouldn’t have been able to start the season - and that decision was down to the EFL alone (as you say, they’ve been treated differently than Bury - sleeping ‘giant’ effect I suspect). If they do manage to get this takeover, new owner whacks some money in and seriously strengthens the squad, how is that equitable for their subsequent opponents, when the first few they have played they’ve played with a load of kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I have sympathy for Bolton. For starters, unlike Bury, they are playing at the correct level. I also read the interview with Parkinson after their match at the weekend when he expressed concerns about the welfare of the squad which is made up of youths that they don't have enough of to even rotate. They raised it as a welfare issue before the Tranmere game and were ignored by the EFL (as far as I understand it). I do think Bolton are in somewhat of an invidious position. The administrators are in so, unlike Bury, it's not the bloke who's got them into the mess trying (failing) to sort it out. The EFL will let them play but won't let them register any players. So they're forced to play the kids twice a week (which they're now saying is a welfare issue) or do what they've done today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I'm trying to suppress the sarcasm but I'm struggling. Physical and emotional well being? Sound like they're being rotated from the trenches of the Somme, not playing an hour or two of football a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC1984 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, jsslatic said: I have sympathy for Bolton. For starters, unlike Bury, they are playing at the correct level. I also read the interview with Parkinson after their match at the weekend when he expressed concerns about the welfare of the squad which is made up of youths that they don't have enough of to even rotate. They raised it as a welfare issue before the Tranmere game and were ignored by the EFL (as far as I understand it). I do think Bolton are in somewhat of an invidious position. The administrators are in so, unlike Bury, it's not the bloke who's got them into the mess trying (failing) to sort it out. The EFL will let them play but won't let them register any players. So they're forced to play the kids twice a week (which they're now saying is a welfare issue) or do what they've done today. They loved racking up the millions in the Premier League - no sympathy whatsoever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, jsslatic said: I have sympathy for Bolton... So they're forced to play the kids twice a week (which they're now saying is a welfare issue) or do what they've done today. I don't. They've been playing above their income for a good few years now. The only difference to Bury is that it fell apart quicker at Gigg Lane. Are they really saying they can't play two matches a week? In that case, how many would they have to cancel this season? How many times did Latics have to rely on young players coming through early because they couldn't afford established pros? If we'd have lived on the tick to the same extent as Bolton, we could have been in the Championship too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperKeeper Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: Saw something in a paper via Twitter that if Bury go bust it is one less relegation place for Leagues 1 & 2. You'd have to expect that if both Bury and Bolton go bust there is no relegation from League 2. The EFL could do with making an announcement sooner rather than later. If they leave it later into the season when it's clear who's looking likely to go up/down, they could be seen as preferring certain clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, SweeperKeeper said: The EFL could do with making an announcement sooner rather than later. If they leave it later into the season when it's clear who's looking likely to go up/down, they could be seen as preferring certain clubs. There will be something in the rules about this, or at least you would have thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 hours ago, disjointed said: There will be something in the rules about this, or at least you would have thought so. The rules and regulations are quite non-committal about it. See my post attempting to interpret the rules here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 20 hours ago, maddog said: Totally agree. There should be further sanctions here. You can’t just decide to not play a game. Seriously, what the actual fuck?! They shouldn’t have been able to start the season - and that decision was down to the EFL alone (as you say, they’ve been treated differently than Bury - sleeping ‘giant’ effect I suspect). If they do manage to get this takeover, new owner whacks some money in and seriously strengthens the squad, how is that equitable for their subsequent opponents, when the first few they have played they’ve played with a load of kids? They will have to hurry up and take over with less than two weeks to sign a new team. What will happen if the takeover doesn't go through before 2nd. Sept.? They will be stuck with these same kids until January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, al_bro said: They will have to hurry up and take over with less than two weeks to sign a new team. What will happen if the takeover doesn't go through before 2nd. Sept.? They will be stuck with these same kids until January. And then they’ll take it upon themselves to cancel any games they like. Think of the kids! Its a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The end is nigh... Bury FC’s scheduled League One fixture with Tranmere Rovers on Saturday 24 August has been suspended as further clarity remains outstanding in relation to a number of the Club’s financial obligations. In addition, Sheffield Wednesday have been awarded the Carabao Cup Round One tie scheduled to be played against Bury and will progress to Round Two, where they will play away at Rotherham United on Wednesday 28 August. The EFL Board continues to be frustrated at the lack of significant progress that has been made by Mr Dale in providing the information required. However, we will continue to work with the current ownership in an attempt to achieve a resolution ahead of the Notice of Withdrawal deadline of Friday 23 August. It remains in regular communication with Mr Dale but if a solution is not found by the deadline, the Board will authorise the necessary share transfer on behalf of Bury FC which shall be legally binding on all parties and result, regretfully, in the Club no longer being a member of the League. Should this happen, Bury’s record from the 2019/20 season would be expunged with League One consisting of 23 Clubs for the remainder of the campaign and the number of relegation places reduced to three at the conclusion of 2019/20 season. Four promotion places would remain from League Two ensuring a full complement of 24 teams in League One in 2020/21. Bury would then be free to make an application to the Football Association to re-join league competition further down the English football pyramid from season 2020/21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, kowenicki said: The end is nigh... Bury FC’s scheduled League One fixture with Tranmere Rovers on Saturday 24 August has been suspended as further clarity remains outstanding in relation to a number of the Club’s financial obligations. In addition, Sheffield Wednesday have been awarded the Carabao Cup Round One tie scheduled to be played against Bury and will progress to Round Two, where they will play away at Rotherham United on Wednesday 28 August. The EFL Board continues to be frustrated at the lack of significant progress that has been made by Mr Dale in providing the information required. However, we will continue to work with the current ownership in an attempt to achieve a resolution ahead of the Notice of Withdrawal deadline of Friday 23 August. It remains in regular communication with Mr Dale but if a solution is not found by the deadline, the Board will authorise the necessary share transfer on behalf of Bury FC which shall be legally binding on all parties and result, regretfully, in the Club no longer being a member of the League. Should this happen, Bury’s record from the 2019/20 season would be expunged with League One consisting of 23 Clubs for the remainder of the campaign and the number of relegation places reduced to three at the conclusion of 2019/20 season. Four promotion places would remain from League Two ensuring a full complement of 24 teams in League One in 2020/21. Bury would then be free to make an application to the Football Association to re-join league competition further down the English football pyramid from season 2020/21. But they omit to say whether it will result in a knock on effect of one less relegation place from L2. It won't take long for the record to be expunged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Phil Parkinson resigns. Cant really blame him. Pressure on him must have been huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, kowenicki said: Phil Parkinson resigns. Cant really blame him. Pressure on him must have been huge. Worth a punt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: Worth a punt... Was that a pun? Hoof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 20 hours ago, simplythemostimportantkick said: Worth a punt... Definitely if the position was vacant. He's stuck by Bolton, and I'm surprised it's taken so long for him to call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Son of WMD liar buys Bury it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 EFL tweet tonight: The EFL Board remains concerned at the ongoing delays at Bolton Wanderers that have prevented the conclusion of the various sale agreements and documents that would result in the Club’s exit from administration. Having been previously advised in writing on the morning of the start of the season that the deal was all but agreed and only awaiting completion signatures, there has been constant contradictory information and no finalisation of the deal. The current situation cannot continue and the time to resolve the current impasse is now fast running out. Whilst it is understood as recently as yesterday that the parties were once again in a position to complete the formalities, there appears to be additional frustrating delays that are only serving to have a negative and detrimental impact. The EFL urges all parties to communicate and come together to find the necessary and final solutions so that Bolton Wanderers can start to plan for its long term future and end months of uncertainty for all those associated with the Club, in particular the players, staff, supporters and the local Bolton community. If a successful conclusion to a sale is not found or there are no credible plans for the Club to continue the season in administration by the planned Board meeting at 5pm on Tuesday 27 August 2019, then the EFL Board will consider lifting the suspension on the Notice of Withdrawal of the Club's membership of the League which was issued when the Club entered into administration in May 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 MK Dons reportedly losing £10,000 per day, 300k a month, £3.6m a year. Another one who bought promotion. Bolton, a few days having been taken over have taken out 2 x £20m loans at 4% interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, singe said: MK Dons reportedly losing £10,000 per day, 300k a month, £3.6m a year. Another one who bought promotion. Bolton, a few days having been taken over have taken out 2 x £20m loans at 4% interest. I thought a lot of what Simon Brooke put forward in the latics podcast (episode 5 I think) about how the league could operate in future to put more controls in against this sort of thing made a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, nzlatic said: I thought a lot of what Simon Brooke put forward in the latics podcast (episode 5 I think) about how the league could operate in future to put more controls in against this sort of thing made a lot of sense. Agree, it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, singe said: MK Dons reportedly losing £10,000 per day, 300k a month, £3.6m a year. Another one who bought promotion. Bolton, a few days having been taken over have taken out 2 x £20m loans at 4% interest. Well Bury's interest rate was 138% so pretty competitive. To get a rate that low they must have had a credible business plan to show the lender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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