latics22 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 So today’s the day. Lose and we’re in DEEP shit, win and the pressure is slightly released, draw and we edge a step closer. Scary times, I’m working so won’t be able to attend. Is this the biggest game in 20 odd years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: But nobody else does...? Gardner does a lot of running. Maybe even more than him. And can sit infront of the back 4 why do we need fane, just get Gardner to be more disciplined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Gardner does a lot of running. Maybe even more than him. And can sit infront of the back 4 why do we need fane, just get Gardner to be more disciplined But Gardner is nowhere near as effective as Fane in nicking the ball and breaking up play. Fane does what he does very well. As soon as he has won the ball his next thought should be to lay it off to the nearest blue shirt. My only issue is that as soon as he gets booked in a game, he is no longer as effective and from that point on , as some have said, he is a red card walking. If Wellens can find someone to do the Fane role and bring more to the game then the team can only benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronoafc Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Biggest game in years. So nervous. Already need a whiskey and i’m not a huge drinker at football. Cash on turnstiles for anyone interested and my mate rang Rochdale ticket office despite saying reserved seating on the tickets...its unreserved in away end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: But Gardner is nowhere near as effective as Fane in nicking the ball and breaking up play. If Wellens can find someone to do the Fane role and bring more to the game then the team can only benefit. How do you know that? Gardner has a completely different brief which takes him all over the pitch and he needs to be constructive in those positions. It is about time that Wellens grew a pair and selected Gardner to play in the sitting role which would allow Byrne to play behind the front 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, LightDN123 said: Gardner does a lot of running. Maybe even more than him. And can sit infront of the back 4 why do we need fane, just get Gardner to be more disciplined For 60 minutes, then he's fucked. And for all that running he can't tackle for shit. And about half his passes miss their target. Get Southgate on the blower quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: But Gardner is nowhere near as effective as Fane in nicking the ball and breaking up play. Fane does what he does very well. As soon as he has won the ball his next thought should be to lay it off to the nearest blue shirt. Another urban myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: How do you know that? Gardner has a completely different brief which takes him all over the pitch and he needs to be constructive in those positions. It is about time that Wellens grew a pair and selected Gardner to play in the sitting role which would allow Byrne to play behind the front 2. In a pre season game Shez played Gardner in a deep libero style role, he was very effective, and it enabled him bring other midfielders into play and ping the ball to both flanks. I think it may suit the team, but RW I feel won't drop Fane now. Besides, coaches these days go by the book and use modern systems, even when they don't work. Edited April 17, 2018 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, BP1960 said: In a pre season game Shez played Gardner in a deep libero style role, he was very effective, and it enabled him bring other midfielders into play and ping the ball to both flanks. I think it may suit the team, but RW I feel won't drop Fane now. Besides, coaches these days go by the book and use modern systems, even when they don't work. You could have stopped at pre season game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamoafc Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, LightDN123 said: How is it embarrassing. Name a player who you have seen that is unable to pass the ball and his technique is beyond awful. When he runs with the ball and even attempts a shot it goes closer to the corner flag. Don’t get me wrong I will be supporting him tonight, but I think anyone could run around like he does. If you have played football yourself you would see that you have probably played with players with better passing ability than him. It’s not embarrassing it is fact that Fane is shite at football You ever played football? Having someone who can break up play like him is a huge weight off other shoulders. Don’t think there is a player that will cover anywhere near as much ground as him. Just because he isn’t drilling in goals and spraying 40 yard passes doesn’t mean he isn’t effective in what he does for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 hours ago, TheBigDog said: I had to read this post a number of times to determine whether you believe that Fane should not be playing professional football or whether you believe that he is a vital part of the team who deserves the accolade of Player of the Season. ? Let me just read it again....Nope...still cannot work it out. ? I am not sure myself. I don't think he is anything like a footballer. The argument that he protects the back 4 doesn't really wash with me due to our poor defensive record. He can't pass a ball. But he has still probably been our most consistent performer this season. Says more about the rest of the shits than anything else really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronoafc Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Gardner is so much of a better player than Fane it's not even funny...I think he should be deeper like BP mentioned him being in pre season, but he's told "Dan, Run fucking everywhere". The fane argument will never end, I agree Gardner sometimes tries too much and his passing can be wayward at times, but christ at least he can make a 5 yard pass. He is a footballer. Though oddly, I do agree with Lee Sinnott that Fane is probably player of the season...just due to consistency and doing his sole job of tackling well. Still if we stay up and want to make a push for something higher than a relegation battle/lower league finish next year, Fane should not be in the starting 11. He makes no current top 6 team, no chance. He may win the tackle. but he literally SHITS himself and wants to try and get rid of it as quickly as possible. His decision making in the final 3rd is laughable, Multiple occasions he turns round and just runs backwards as he doesn't have a scoobies what to do. Anyway onto tonight...I don't have a good feeling. Think the atmosphere will be incredible but for some reason I fear a 2-0 defeat :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, adamoafc said: You ever played football? Having someone who can break up play like him is a huge weight off other shoulders. Don’t think there is a player that will cover anywhere near as much ground as him. Just because he isn’t drilling in goals and spraying 40 yard passes doesn’t mean he isn’t effective in what he does for the team. As soon as you start saying that he is not Messi you lose the argument. And yes we have all played football-some of us as badly as Fanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, adamoafc said: You ever played football? Having someone who can break up play like him is a huge weight off other shoulders. Don’t think there is a player that will cover anywhere near as much ground as him. Just because he isn’t drilling in goals and spraying 40 yard passes doesn’t mean he isn’t effective in what he does for the team. This where I disagree with this discussion about Fane. Having him in the side puts a huge weight on the others shoulders as he is such a limited player. Gardner is running around like a scalded cat doing the work to cover for Fane-I bet if we recorded distance Gardner covers as much if not more ground than Fane. Your other points-well he plays midfield and is what 6' 4"" has he had a headed attempt at goal ALL season-he does get in the box for corners you know. Has he had a shot on goal ALL season? Can he see or pass a ball properly? All probably NO. Just to end-some now consider him as Player of the season because he is consistently crap-unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 hours ago, LightDN123 said: How is it embarrassing. Name a player who you have seen that is unable to pass the ball and his technique is beyond awful. When he runs with the ball and even attempts a shot it goes closer to the corner flag. Don’t get me wrong I will be supporting him tonight, but I think anyone could run around like he does. If you have played football yourself you would see that you have probably played with players with better passing ability than him. It’s not embarrassing it is fact that Fane is shite at football He is able to pass a ball ( just about) Who would you put in there to tackle and break up play? He is the only we have who puts a foot in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, oafcmetty said: For 60 minutes, then he's fucked. And for all that running he can't tackle for shit. And about half his passes miss their target. Get Southgate on the blower quick. He is a third division footballer. He is being played in the wrong position. 1 minute ago, welshgaz said: He is able to pass a ball ( just about) Who would you put in there to tackle and break up play? He is the only we have who puts a foot in. Have you bothered reading the rest of this thread? Let me see, initials are DG, used to play for Chesterfield, does a cruyff turn. Let me think now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: He is a third division footballer. He is being played in the wrong position. Have you bothered reading the rest of this thread? Let me see, initials are DG, used to play for Chesterfield, does a cruyff turn. Let me think now. DG presses and puts loads of effort in but isn't a natural ball winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwood Blue Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Really dreading tonight, not as confident as I should be going into a game against dogdale.. Lose and its an uphill task to avoid trips to Grimsby and Tranmere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, aaronoafc said: Gardner is so much of a better player than Fane it's not even funny...I think he should be deeper like BP mentioned him being in pre season, but he's told "Dan, Run fucking everywhere". The fane argument will never end, I agree Gardner sometimes tries too much and his passing can be wayward at times, but christ at least he can make a 5 yard pass. He is a footballer. Though oddly, I do agree with Lee Sinnott that Fane is probably player of the season...just due to consistency and doing his sole job of tackling well. Still if we stay up and want to make a push for something higher than a relegation battle/lower league finish next year, Fane should not be in the starting 11. He makes no current top 6 team, no chance. He may win the tackle. but he literally SHITS himself and wants to try and get rid of it as quickly as possible. His decision making in the final 3rd is laughable, Multiple occasions he turns round and just runs backwards as he doesn't have a scoobies what to do. Anyway onto tonight...I don't have a good feeling. Think the atmosphere will be incredible but for some reason I fear a 2-0 defeat :/ DG has a marginally better goal record than Fane, I'll give you that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, welshgaz said: He is able to pass a ball ( just about) Who would you put in there to tackle and break up play? He is the only we have who puts a foot in. There'd be less play to break up if we had an extra midfielder who could create more play of our own, keep the ball, have the opposition on the back foot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, adamoafc said: You ever played football? Having someone who can break up play like him is a huge weight off other shoulders. Don’t think there is a player that will cover anywhere near as much ground as him. Just because he isn’t drilling in goals and spraying 40 yard passes doesn’t mean he isn’t effective in what he does for the team. Yeah I have for a well regarded football academy who is a premishership side now. I fully appreciate the holding midfield role as that’s the position I personally played. Yes breaking up play is imprantant but he slows everything down with his passing. He’s a awful footballer who breaks up play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, welshgaz said: DG presses and puts loads of effort in but isn't a natural ball winner. Xabi Alonso "'Tackling is not really a quality, it's more something you are forced to resort to when you don't have the ball,'" Does this apply more or less to lower league football where the opposition are shite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: Yeah I have for a well regarded football academy who is a premishership side now. I fully appreciate the holding midfield role as that’s the position I personally played. [blocks] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 hours ago, LightDN123 said: How is it embarrassing. Name a player who you have seen that is unable to pass the ball and his technique is beyond awful. When he runs with the ball and even attempts a shot it goes closer to the corner flag. Don’t get me wrong I will be supporting him tonight, but I think anyone could run around like he does. If you have played football yourself you would see that you have probably played with players with better passing ability than him. It’s not embarrassing it is fact that Fane is shite at football ....that is, sadly, spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Much to my surprise I have been able to close out my bet that we wouldn't be relegated at a profit today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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