whittles left foot Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, oafcmetty said: I'd be wary of chucking him straight in after his injury problems. Bench for me, he can come on for Gardner on 60 when he starts hiding. Just how do you define `hiding' during the game and `what' do you look for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Not a Gardner fan either. But hiding ?? Wish he would sometimes tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 4:10 PM, oafcmetty said: I'd be wary of chucking him straight in after his injury problems. Bench for me, he can come on for Gardner on 60 when he starts hiding. 22 hours ago, disjointed said: I've seen Gardner accused of a lot of things, but I don't think hiding has been mentioned before, seems a bit harsh to me that one. Nah..not having that about Gardner hiding. He never stops and it is an extremely harsh comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamoafc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Gardner definitely doesn’t hide... Wish he did though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 3:45 PM, al_bro said: Lyden plays this position. Lets see how he does tonight, if it goes well he will probably play 45/60mins. against Vale. I would go for the 4--3-3 mentioned earlier with perhaps Lyden for Gardner. Lyden and Missile in the middle with 2 wingers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 He doesn't hide. He's just not very good. I couldn't believe the praise he was getting earlier in the season. I'd certainly keep him in the squad though, especially the away games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Don't Scare Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Massively overrated for me. Simply because he runs around a lot doesn't make him any good, see Ousmane Fane. At Swindon, Gardner pulled a ridiculous trick out near the away fans, then failed to pass it 5-10 yards. Squad player yes, worth the praise he gets, absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 For me he seems to want to do a trick or turn before he passes which costs us momentum. He doesn't tackle as such, just dangles a leg most of the time. Having said that he's certainly worth his place in the squad and probably the team with the options we've had until this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Convinced he'd be a better winger than central midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 But Shez reckons he’s the best in the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, dannyboy55555 said: But Shez reckons he’s the best in the league? Maybe he wants to sign him in January... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 hours ago, Omar Don't Scare said: Massively overrated for me. Simply because he runs around a lot doesn't make him any good, see Ousmane Fane. At Swindon, Gardner pulled a ridiculous trick out near the away fans, then failed to pass it 5-10 yards. Squad player yes, worth the praise he gets, absolutely not. Comparison with Fane is a bit unfair - Gardner is comfortable on the ball, can (actually) pick a pass, will drive forward with the ball and get us the odd goal. Best in the league (according to Shez), yet I'm not sure Fane would add much to my Friday night 6-aside team. Gardner fast becoming the new Eardley - getting involved and drawing attention to yourself just seems to leave you open to criticism. Would we prefer a team of shirkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 53 minutes ago, JoeP said: Comparison with Fane is a bit unfair - Gardner is comfortable on the ball, can (actually) pick a pass, will drive forward with the ball and get us the odd goal. Best in the league (according to Shez), yet I'm not sure Fane would add much to my Friday night 6-aside team. Gardner fast becoming the new Eardley - getting involved and drawing attention to yourself just seems to leave you open to criticism. Would we prefer a team of shirkers? Totally agree! I’m not praising him just for having a go. I’m praising him trying to have a impact on the game instead of hiding. It’s a lot easier to float into the back ground than it is to do what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamoafc Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, JoeP said: Comparison with Fane is a bit unfair - Gardner is comfortable on the ball, can (actually) pick a pass, will drive forward with the ball and get us the odd goal. Best in the league (according to Shez), yet I'm not sure Fane would add much to my Friday night 6-aside team. Gardner fast becoming the new Eardley - getting involved and drawing attention to yourself just seems to leave you open to criticism. Would we prefer a team of shirkers? The odd goal? How many has he scored for us? Once again... he runs around and offers very little... for a box to box midfielder he’s very weak in the tackle, the little turn he does is predictable, he literally can’t pass a ball, doesn’t score enough. But yes, he shows for the ball, runs around looking busy... so we have to praise him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 He was sold to us as an attacking midfielder but hasn't really played in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, oldhamoafc said: The odd goal? How many has he scored for us? Once again... he runs around and offers very little... for a box to box midfielder he’s very weak in the tackle, the little turn he does is predictable, he literally can’t pass a ball, doesn’t score enough. But yes, he shows for the ball, runs around looking busy... so we have to praise him. Compared to Fane he's a lethal goal threat! Last season, I thought like you - I think he was over shadowed by Byrne. Think he's done better with a bit more freedom this season. Missilou seems to have taken on the role of anonymous midfielder this year, but I haven't seen much debate about him. Is the key to getting praise on here to just not do anything, then you can't be criticised for making a mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, oldhamoafc said: The odd goal? How many has he scored for us? Once again... he runs around and offers very little... for a box to box midfielder he’s very weak in the tackle, the little turn he does is predictable, he literally can’t pass a ball, doesn’t score enough. But yes, he shows for the ball, runs around looking busy... so we have to praise him. Be interesting to a see his pass completion rate, I think it would be be quite high. Comparable with Baxter I'd have thought. Gardner's main fault is being caught in possession trying to be too clever. However, if team mates showed off the ball better this could be avoided. Edited October 11, 2018 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeuwenhoek Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, oldhamoafc said: The odd goal? How many has he scored for us? Two this season. Joint second top goal scorer along with Nepo and Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: He was sold to us as an attacking midfielder but hasn't really played in that position. Good shout. We never thought we were getting a holding player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 A complete marmite player. One minute he can do something good, the next minute he can be awful. Sadly, he does more poor things than good things. On Saturday, I thought it was his most anonymous game in a long time. At least in other games, he gets noticed for the good/bad things he does but against Carlisle I could count on my hand the number of times he was involved. As for Shez, as much as I like the guy I think he's way off the mark on this one. If Gardner could produce the sort of form he did this time last season (5 really solid games back to back) then he would rightly get the plaudits. Sadly, he's shown he can't do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 14 hours ago, singe said: Maybe he wants to sign him in January... Wouldn't surprise me. Shez seems to like working with people he knows and I believe Gardner turned down a contract extension in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, boundaryblue80 said: As for Shez, as much as I like the guy I think he's way off the mark on this one. It's akin to when he claimed Jack Ruddy did nothing wrong at Rotherham.... Although I can't argue with much of the criticism levelled at him, I like Gardner and I reckon he could be very good if used further forward or right midfield. He seems to give a shit too for what that's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, BP1960 said: Be interesting to a see his pass completion rate, I think it would be be quite high. Comparable with Baxter I'd have thought. Gardner's main fault is being caught in possession trying to be too clever. However, if team mates showed off the ball better this could be avoided. Wow you really think his pass completion rate is high? He's played the opposition forwards in more time with his passing this season than their own midfielders and the only passes he does complete are generally the tippy tappy variety which average about two yards, anything of and distance usually goes astray, he's industrious and actually improves with better players around him but never in a million years should the majority of our play go through him and his set plays are also generally piss poor. I do agree about players needing to show off the ball more as we are caught in possession all too often because players stop working and trying to find space for each other there is also a real reluctance in our midfield to talk but that could be a language thing, Gardner is an OK player for us but generally does his best work chasing after his own stray passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Seems to have had the hump a bit this season, probably can't blame him to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Seems to have had the hump a bit this season, probably can't blame him to be fair. Probably upset the move to the Championship didn't materialise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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