JoeP Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Probably upset the move to the Championship didn't materialise I do love the way we back our own.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I've been away, can't be bothered reading 16 pages. Did we win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I've been away, can't be bothered reading 16 pages. Did we win? Simple formula <4 pages = Win >10 = Defeat. In between = Draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: I've been away, can't be bothered reading 16 pages. Did we win? No. Summary: Bunn - shit Gardner - shit Graham - shit Gerrard - Now all round bloody good bloke because he clapped the fans.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, JoeP said: No. Summary: Bunn - shit Gardner - shit Graham - shit Gerrard - Now all round bloody good bloke because he clapped the fans.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, JoeP said: No. Summary: Bunn - shit Gardner - shit Graham - shit Gerrard - Now all round bloody good bloke because he clapped the fans.. Makes one wonder what the other fifteen pages were about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Wow you really think his pass completion rate is high? He's played the opposition forwards in more time with his passing this season than their own midfielders and the only passes he does complete are generally the tippy tappy variety which average about two yards, anything of and distance usually goes astray, he's industrious and actually improves with better players around him but never in a million years should the majority of our play go through him and his set plays are also generally piss poor. I do agree about players needing to show off the ball more as we are caught in possession all too often because players stop working and trying to find space for each other there is also a real reluctance in our midfield to talk but that could be a language thing, Gardner is an OK player for us but generally does his best work chasing after his own stray passes. I'd point out tippy tappy passes finding a team mate count as pass completion. You will find if you add them into the equation its quite high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, BP1960 said: I'd point out tippy tappy passes finding a team mate count as pass completion. You will find if you add them into the equation its quite high. Which is why those statistics are meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, al_bro said: Which is why those statistics are meaningless. Saturated with stats nowadays I'll agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Makes one wonder what the other fifteen pages were about... Dan Gardner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 51 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Saturated with stats nowadays I'll agree with that. Info graphics. Useless information for wandering minds that cannot focus on long-term subjects. On the other hand, information is knowledge, is power and allows predictions of outcomes...apparently. The only football statistic I am interested in is the final score and who scored the goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 12 hours ago, BP1960 said: Saturated with stats nowadays I'll agree with that. 11 hours ago, Wardie said: Info graphics. Useless information for wandering minds that cannot focus on long-term subjects. On the other hand, information is knowledge, is power and allows predictions of outcomes...apparently. The only football statistic I am interested in is the final score and who scored the goals. Brentford are owned by Matthew Benham who runs the company Smart Odds which provides statistics to betting companys and sport clubs. The club itself uses the statistical information to help with player recruitment. They have done reasonably well I think However... they have also benefited from his £100m investment over the past five years too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Brentford are owned by Matthew Benham who runs the company Smart Odds which provides statistics to betting companys and sport clubs. The club itself uses the statistical information to help with player recruitment. They have done reasonably well I think However... they have also benefited from his £100m investment over the past five years too... £100m or not..... have a look at the Profit on his "Stats" work..... it's a superb example of how to have a "Plan" and run a Ltd company - on a modest supporter base in the shadow of intergalactic behemoths - operating in Sport. This is what an owner of Oldham Athletic could be aiming for. Edited October 12, 2018 by lookersstandandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: £100m or not..... have a look at the Profit on his "Stats" work..... it's a superb example of how to have a "Plan" and run a Ltd company - on a modest supporter base in the shadow of intergalactic behemoths - operating in Sport. This is what an owner of Oldham Athletic could be aiming for. It does though give the lie to the accepted wisdom that we, almost uniquely, sell our assets on the cheap. Two of those, Harlee Dean and Moses Adubajo, had spells at my local non-leaguers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: It does though give the lie to the accepted wisdom that we, almost uniquely, sell our assets on the cheap. Two of those, Harlee Dean and Moses Adubajo, had spells at my local non-leaguers. I bet your local non-leaguers wouldn't have sold the sell on fee they might've had, a matter of weeks before the player was sold for £m's though..... uniquely or not, under Corney's stewardship we were a soft touch with the sale of assets, because the buying piranha's always knew we were in a financial mess and could take advantage. A stable owner - with a Plan - could ensure that we maximised the value of assets - like Mr. Benham does for Brentford - instead of being bent over backwards every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: I bet your local non-leaguers wouldn't have sold the sell on fee they might've had, a matter of weeks before the player was sold for £m's though..... uniquely or not, under Corney's stewardship we were a soft touch with the sale of assets, because the buying piranha's always knew we were in a financial mess and could take advantage. A stable owner - with a Plan - could ensure that we maximised the value of assets - like Mr. Benham does for Brentford - instead of being bent over backwards every time. Sadly they were only loan spells, Dean more than once from Dagenham and Odubajo from Orient. Have to assume the Tarky clause was sold in desperation but I really don't think we were done over too many times apart from his initial sale. It's not so much the plan that an owner needs as the wherewithal to see it through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Still unsure why people were so happy to swallow the we sold the clause line, was it ever shown on the accounts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Sadly they were only loan spells, Dean more than once from Dagenham and Odubajo from Orient. Have to assume the Tarky clause was sold in desperation but I really don't think we were done over too many times apart from his initial sale. It's not so much the plan that an owner needs as the wherewithal to see it through. Corney's asset realisation performance, I'd say was substandard; - Dale Stephens, sent to Southampton for a loan fee, then sold to Charlton for £350k. - Dean Furman, sent to Doncaster for a loan fee, then left on a Free to Doncaster. - Tom Eaves, sold to Bolton for £300k. - Matt Smith, left on a Free to Leeds. - Kieran Lee, left on a Free to Sheff Weds. - Jonathan Grounds, left on a Free to Birmingham. - Chris Taylor, left on a Free to Millwall - Korey Smith sold to Bristol City for £350k. - Liam Kelly, left on a Free to Leyton Orient. - Tarky sold to Brentford for c£500k [although it reported as c£350k at the time] with loan back built in [which never materialised]. Sold sell on Fee for c£150k. - JCH sold to Rotherham for £350k. - Tim Dieng, left on a Free to Bradford - Joel Coleman sold to Huddersfield for £150k. - Chris Renshaw sold to Everton for ??? Edited October 12, 2018 by lookersstandandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: Corney's asset realisation performance, I'd say was substandard; - Dale Stephens, sent to Southampton for a loan fee, then sold to Charlton for £350k. - Dean Furman, sent to Doncaster for a loan fee, then left on a Free to Doncaster. - Tom Eaves, sold to Bolton for £300k. - Matt Smith, left on a Free to Leeds. - Kieran Lee, left on a Free to Sheff Weds. - Jonathan Grounds, left on a Free to Birmingham. - Chris Taylor, left on a Free to Millwall - Korey Smith sold to Bristol City for £350k. - Liam Kelly, left on a Free to Leyton Orient. - Tarky sold to Brentford for c£500k [although it reported as c£350k at the time] with loan back built in [which never materialised]. Sold sell on Fee for c£150k. - JCH sold to Rotherham for £350k. - Joel Coleman sold to Huddersfield for £150k. - Chris Renshaw sold to Everton for ??? A few plusses and minuses and I guess losing the odd good one on a free is just part of the modern game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 This doesn't take into account players leaving when out of contract-something Latics have no control over, do you seriously think we were ever going to hang on to Matt Smith? Usually if they were under contract we got a fee(JCH)-many fans were happy to see him go. With the past financial details of the club having come to light over the past few months can you still not see that if you are skint you get money from where ever you can, folks still banging on about cashing in the sell on clause when we were skint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: asset realisation performance Oh come on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, josh_latics said: Oh come on... Choose your own words..... you know what I mean.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, whittles left foot said: This doesn't take into account players leaving when out of contract-something Latics have no control over, do you seriously think we were ever going to hang on to Matt Smith? Usually if they were under contract we got a fee(JCH)-many fans were happy to see him go. With the past financial details of the club having come to light over the past few months can you still not see that if you are skint you get money from where ever you can, folks still banging on about cashing in the sell on clause when we were skint. ....go back to Denham's performance at Brentford. If he thinks a player will leave on a Free, he either offers a new extended contract or sells them before they do..... he's a got a Plan..... Corney didn't have one. Plus, it's his fault we were skint, so he can't use his ineptitude as an excuse. The fella we've got now appears to have had 1 plan which is to raid the lower leagues of France.... which to date, hasn't worked..... Edited October 12, 2018 by lookersstandandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, lookersstandandy said: ....go back to Denham's performance at Brentford. If he thinks a player will leave on a Free, he either offers a new extended contract or sells them before they do..... he's a got a Plan..... Corney didn't have one. Plus, it's his fault we were skint, so he can't use his ineptitude as an excuse. The fella we've got now appears to have had 1 plan which is to raid the lower leagues of France.... which to date, hasn't worked..... I don't think offering a new contract or selling a player who's contract is about to expire is something that is particularly unique to Brentford its fairly standard practice. However I'm agreeing with you I'd like to see us have a moneyball policy of signing players and getting value for money in the transfer market aslong as they are funding losses in the short term so when we do sell players, (and in reality that's always going to happen at our club) we do so because its the right offer and not out of sheer desperation. Edited October 12, 2018 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: I don't think offering a new contract or selling a player who's contract is about to expire is something that is particularly unique to Brentford its fairly standard practice..... ...yes, but the timing of new contract offer is probably key. I'm guessing, but I bet I'm not wrong - considering the shambolic way the club was run under Corney - that our timing of said events was poor, all things considered..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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