rosa Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, 24424 said: Kettling supporters outside of the ground,, denying them toilet facilities by shuttering the away end exits behind them, and taking no account of the more vulnerable, away fans, seems to be a bizarre decision by Merseyside Police to say the least. If they had specific info that things were likely to go off outside, surely they could have just held the away fans back in the stand or the concourse, as is normal practice elsewhere? It made absolutely no sense whatsoever. If they had 'intelligence' that there was going to be trouble outside, why on earth would they let people out of the ground and then pen them in the exact spot this supposed trouble was meant to be happening? If they had 'intelligence' there was going to be trouble, why would they close off the road to Rock Ferry station (where a lot of people were making their way to), tell people to walk in the opposite direction towards the town centre, and have no police at all 100 yards down the road, where people were wandering around not sure where they were going and where anyone who was looking for trouble could have happily beat the shit out of a load of lost Oldham fans who'd been forced off the route they were familiar with? It stinks of them deliberately causing trouble to justify charging you more for policing in future. Fuck knows what they'll do if you get Liverpool or Everton in the FA Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I suggested that the whole exercise was way over the top and totally unnecessary and one or two of the bobbies agreed with me. Keeping us in the ground for 20 mins would have been safer surely. A couple of those coppers were really up for a confrontation. I would love to know just how much the policing bill cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The only firm that were up for trouble outside the ground was the plod themselves, absolute shit houses the lot of them and the bollocks they are spouting trying to justify their neanderthal behaviour is frankly embarrassing, so what if a few of our fans have had a drink a bit of a sing song at halftime and enjoy an away day, as far as I'm aware none of that is a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: The only firm that were up for trouble outside the ground was the plod themselves, absolute shit houses the lot of them and the bollocks they are spouting trying to justify their neanderthal behaviour is frankly embarrassing, so what if a few of our fans have had a drink a bit of a sing song at halftime and enjoy an away day, as far as I'm aware none of that is a crime. A drink and a sing song isn't a crime. But being in possession, (nevermind letting them off), of pyro is a crime. I don't think it should be. As I think it's a football only law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, fleetwood Blue said: Over the top policing inside the ground which screamed out they hadnt seen a lively crowd for a few years but IF there was a planned a scrap at the prenton pub right outside where we was walking out i am glad of the 15 min wait as i took my daughter to the game.. The cops seemed intent on making a statement and ive seen the footage of about seven of them jumping on one lad, we was shown a glimpse of how footy fans were treated in the 80’s with cops penning us in, cops on horseback and cops with there yapping dogs in an attempt to intimidate. I doubt there would have been a fight at the pub with 100 police and the firearms unit standing there whether they held us or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 35 minutes ago, rudemedic said: I don't think it should be. As I think it's a football only law. Doubt it. I imagine letting them go at a concert wouldn't go well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: Doubt it. I imagine letting them go at a concert wouldn't go well They are pretty popular at Courteeners gigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, rudemedic said: A drink and a sing song isn't a crime. But being in possession, (nevermind letting them off), of pyro is a crime. I don't think it should be. As I think it's a football only law. Other events see pyrotechnics set off on a regular basis, why should a football fan be treated any differently? You don't see all this palaver when a flare is let off at a concert with all the crowd penned in and kettled as a result of a couple of peoples actions. One of the worst examples of the way football fans are treated in relation to the general public I witnessed on the way home from Grimsby on the train, a group of Latics fans were told by the police escorting our train back to Manchester to shut up and be quiet, their crime was talking too loudly and having a bit of a laugh amongst themselves, they were threatened with arrest at Manchester if they didn't behave. Now when the train pulled in to Doncaster to take home the stragglers from the races on Leger day the racegoers were singing, drinking and dancing the whole way to Sheffield without a word from the officers on board - wankers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Also amazing how Tranmere as a club have enough respect and trust to open up their fanzone (which was superb) to away fans and yet the police treat the same people like dirt. I've made my complaint to Merseyside Police, won't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev1969 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Yes fanzone was great real ales as well shame police did not treat us the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Other events see pyrotechnics set off on a regular basis, why should a football fan be treated any differently? You don't see all this palaver when a flare is let off at a concert with all the crowd penned in and kettled as a result of a couple of peoples actions. One of the worst examples of the way football fans are treated in relation to the general public I witnessed on the way home from Grimsby on the train, a group of Latics fans were told by the police escorting our train back to Manchester to shut up and be quiet, their crime was talking too loudly and having a bit of a laugh amongst themselves, they were threatened with arrest at Manchester if they didn't behave. Now when the train pulled in to Doncaster to take home the stragglers from the races on Leger day the racegoers were singing, drinking and dancing the whole way to Sheffield without a word from the officers on board - wankers. Oh I'm fully aware in the differences between policing (and stewarding) for football and other events. Most of it stems from Thatcher's government. Some of which were added after Hillsborough, based on potentially criminal lies, from the police. Whilst they are unlikely to produce much so late after the Grimsby game I encourage every football fan to note the contact details for Amanda Jacks (already covered by Rosa earlier in the thread). She has a good record of protecting fans against the police and other sanctions. https://twitter.com/FSF_FairCop?s=09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: They are pretty popular at Courteeners gigs Another occasion when people might want to make their own entertainment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 hours ago, disjointed said: I was unable to attend on Saturday which in the run up to the game I was pretty gutted about. But after the post match treatment of our fans I can only be thankful for my non attendance. Treating supporters in the way they have only engenders a siege mentality amongst fans, it also harms Tranmere as a club, I would imagine if we are in the same division next season a proportion of fans will give it a miss. Treat people with respect and you will get respect in return. Bit of perspective reqd here. Yes it was a nuisance being kept in but it meant standing around for 20 mins-not a problem if you are able bodied. Why it would put you off attending in future escapes me. I thought the atmosphere was fantastic all game, hopefully even more will go next year and fill the stand, there was more threat of violence at last years Bury game than here. As for the pub where we were kettled-it was closed doors so no threat of trouble in there. The Bobbies I spoke to were almost apologetic and embarrassed at what was going on. I have to admit it did take me back to the good old days of South Yorks police experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Dave_Og said: Doubt it. I imagine letting them go at a concert wouldn't go well Happens all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witty Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 13 hours ago, rosa said: It made absolutely no sense whatsoever. If they had 'intelligence' that there was going to be trouble outside, why on earth would they let people out of the ground and then pen them in the exact spot this supposed trouble was meant to be happening? If they had 'intelligence' there was going to be trouble, why would they close off the road to Rock Ferry station (where a lot of people were making their way to), tell people to walk in the opposite direction towards the town centre, and have no police at all 100 yards down the road, where people were wandering around not sure where they were going and where anyone who was looking for trouble could have happily beat the shit out of a load of lost Oldham fans who'd been forced off the route they were familiar with? It stinks of them deliberately causing trouble to justify charging you more for policing in future. Fuck knows what they'll do if you get Liverpool or Everton in the FA Cup. Exactly. I came on my own via Rock Ferry as I have on many occasions previously. They forced me to turn up the main road towards Birkenhead when I wanted to go back to the route I knew to Rock Ferry. I pointed that out to one of the plod and in no uncertain terms he told me to go down that direction if I wanted. I did, along with what I saw were one or two others, and I expected the plod who were there to then let us through. Instead they just started going for us. I had to jump out of way of a van and a charging horse but a couple of others weren't so lucky and were arrested. I managed to get out of the way and made my way back up the main road towards Birkenhead and then went through back streets on my tod to double back towards Rock Ferry. I suppose partly can be seen as stupidity on my part as I should, in hindsight, have walked to Birkenhead and caught train from there. I think the only thing one or two of those arrested for was for trying, like me, to get to Rock Ferry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Witty said: Exactly. I came on my own via Rock Ferry as I have on many occasions previously. They forced me to turn up the main road towards Birkenhead when I wanted to go back to the route I knew to Rock Ferry. I pointed that out to one of the plod and in no uncertain terms he told me to go down that direction if I wanted. I did, along with what I saw were one or two others, and I expected the plod who were there to then let us through. Instead they just started going for us. I had to jump out of way of a van and a charging horse but a couple of others weren't so lucky and were arrested. I managed to get out of the way and made my way back up the main road towards Birkenhead and then went through back streets on my tod to double back towards Rock Ferry. I suppose partly can be seen as stupidity on my part as I should, in hindsight, have walked to Birkenhead and caught train from there. I think the only thing one or two of those arrested for was for trying, like me, to get to Rock Ferry. Hooligan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenbaltipie Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Cardiff at Everton on the same day, same kick off, my guess is they wanted to keep us back as long as possible to avoid any potential confrontation between fans in the centre or at the station. If there was going to be any bother keeping us back would have caused, it, thought our fans were pretty restrained under the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, chickenbaltipie said: Cardiff at Everton on the same day, same kick off, my guess is they wanted to keep us back as long as possible to avoid any potential confrontation between fans in the centre or at the station. If there was going to be any bother keeping us back would have caused, it, thought our fans were pretty restrained under the circumstances. I wonder. Keeping us in, then not letting us to the nearest station. We hailed a black cab and he'd only take us to Birkenhead, which makes no sense (You pay the toll for there and back and he'd be right in the City for another job). Does smell of delaying us getting over the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, chickenbaltipie said: Cardiff at Everton on the same day, same kick off, my guess is they wanted to keep us back as long as possible to avoid any potential confrontation between fans in the centre or at the station. If there was going to be any bother keeping us back would have caused, it, thought our fans were pretty restrained under the circumstances. Makes sense, but why haven't the police just said that instead of going on about the Prenton Park pub? Maybe a new statement will be released claiming "yeah, that's what we we're doing. Preventing a confrontation in Liverpool. Definitely...". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Valentine Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Whatever happened to Tranmere playing their home games on a Friday to prevent such clashes? Well I assume that’s why they did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dick_Valentine said: Whatever happened to Tranmere playing their home games on a Friday to prevent such clashes? Well I assume that’s why they did it? Did we do that for a while too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwood Blue Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: Did we do that for a while too? Im sure i can remember a friday night game vs plymouth but that was years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwood Blue Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, fleetwood Blue said: Im sure i can remember a friday night game vs plymouth but that was years ago When i said years ago didnt quite think it was dec 1990, fuck i feel old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Dick_Valentine said: Whatever happened to Tranmere playing their home games on a Friday to prevent such clashes? Well I assume that’s why they did it? It was more to attract Liverpool and Everton fans to adopt them as their second team. Not worth doing now that Liverpool rarely play at 3pm on a Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesidg Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 15 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: Did we do that for a while too? When I first started going in the late 60’s we used to kick off at 3.15, never sure why that was. think we played a few Friday night games , to try to attract more fans, but Stockport did for many years in the 70’s and 80’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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