disjointed Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 We haven't won a game of any significance for nearly a year (and even that had an element of luck about it) These players can't even do the basics right. Exactly this. What the :censored: can he do once they are out on the pitch misplacing passes, and generally looking back instead of forwards, there is no way the manager has told them everything has to go back. Most of this lot aren't up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakerT Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 If Dunne and Holden stay I fear we are as good as gone already... Jurgen Klopp had a passage in his programme notes a few weeks back along the lines of- "It is us who have to put this right, It is us who have the responsibility. It is us who have to make you believe, no matter what stage of the game, that we are still fighting and capable of producing something incredible" .............. and then I read Dunne's interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Matt chambers latest tweet suggests he's going nowhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Exactly this. What the :censored: can he do once they are out on the pitch misplacing passes, and generally looking back instead of forwards, there is no way the manager has told them everything has to go back. Most of this lot aren't up to it. The problem is most of this lot have proved they can do it, for at time at any rate. And who keep picking the ones that can't, or at least out of form..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 capable players that he is incapable of managing. Very well put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Eyres 42 is right. We don't have a decent full back on the books, the centre halves are physically weak. Kelly does not effect the game in either last third. Jones is a journey man, there are problems in goal, we have a centre forward who has not scored for 18 months , we are slow of thought and movement in many places.....apart from that we are quite strong Every week we lose, every week we are told it is down to individual errors.....the reason for individual errors is that the players are not good enough surely. Exactly this. What the :censored: can he do once they are out on the pitch misplacing passes, and generally looking back instead of forwards, there is no way the manager has told them everything has to go back. Most of this lot aren't up to it. What struck me this weekend about his latest passing of the buck is that there's never any talk from Dunn about coaching the players to become better. Johnson often spoke about players praising them on the one hand but stating "there are a few parts of his game that we're working on to improve him" or such like... Whether Dunn's right or wrong (I think he's wrong) that they're all :censored: is it not a fundamental part of his job to develop them? His comments that not even Mourinho or Ferguson would be able to get these players to cut out individual errors should be the final nail in his coffin. Of course they would, that's one of the main things that made them great managers. If he doesn't understand that he really has no hope whatsoever as a manager. Edited January 4, 2016 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 What struck me this weekend about his latest passing of the buck is that there's never any talk from Dunn about coaching the players to become better. Johnson often spoke about players praising them on the one hand but stating "there are a few parts of his game that we're working on to improve him" or such like... Whether Dunn's right or wrong (I think he's wrong) that they're all :censored: is it not a fundamental part of his job to develop them? His comments that not even Mourinho or Ferguson would be able to get these players to cut out individual errors should be the final nail in his coffin. Of course they would, that's one of the main things that made them great managers. If he doesn't understand that he really has no hope whatsoever as a manager. I'm not sure that's strictly true. Ferguson in particular had keepers post Scmeichel who he clearly could not stop making individual errors. What he could do, of course, was discard them and continue spending large amounts of money until he found somebody good. That is one boat we're not in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boundaryblue80 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 We haven't won a game of any significance for nearly a year (and even that had an element of luck about it) These players can't even do the basics right. You can either stick to facts or you can make things up (and desperately throw the word "nearly" into your post).... LEAGUE ONE Sa 17Jan 2015 Fleetwood 0 - 2 Oldham W LEAGUE ONE Sa 24Jan 2015 Gillingham 3 - 2 Oldham L LEAGUE ONE Sa 31Jan 2015 Oldham 3 - 0 Notts Co W LEAGUE ONE Tu 03Feb 2015 Barnsley 1 - 0 Oldham L LEAGUE ONE Sa 07Feb 2015 Scunthorpe 0 - 1 Oldham W LEAGUE ONE Tu 10Feb 2015 Oldham 2 - 1 Swindon W I'd take 12 points from 18 right now. We went up to 5th These are the same players All above is fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I was on about the Swindon game, we haven't beaten a good side since. We might not need to again this season but we are probably going to have to win at least 8 games to stay up. And if by some miracle they do manage that then you could say they will have been cheating themselves and us for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Dunn makes his own problems , he slags the players off blaming them for everything so how the hell can he then go on to motivate them for Saturday. 2 options left for Latics - 1/ Support Dunn and get 7 new players in January . 2/ Get rid and bring one manager in and one new coach. I know which is cheaper so hopefully Corney will take the cheap option again !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Its clear that Johnson got these players performing far better than the current management. Nethertheless when a new manager comes in and surely the latest this will happen is May, They will be and will need to be making wholesale changes to the squad. This is still essentially Lee Johnson's team the players backed him and bought into what he wanted from them in a way that they are not doing with the current management. Edited January 4, 2016 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 And if by some miracle they do manage that then you could say they will have been cheating themselves and us for a year. Take it your referring to the board there, they are the ones who have been cheating the fans with their piss poor decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Dunn makes his own problems , he slags the players off blaming them for everything so how the hell can he then go on to motivate them for Saturday. 2 options left for Latics - 1/ Support Dunn and get 7 new players in January . 2/ Get rid and bring one manager in and one new coach. I know which is cheaper so hopefully Corney will take the cheap option again !!!! Not quite correct, although the sentiment is. We still need at least a goalkeeper and a CB, ideally a couple more. Doable with getting rid of some of the no playing loanees. 1/ Support Dunn and get 7 new players in January . 2/ Get rid and bring one manager in and one new coach, & 2 or 3 players. EDIT MAybe I'd add new GK coach too!!!! But combine that with releasing Cornell and getting an old head. Edited January 4, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Its clear that Johnson got these players performing far better than the current management. Nethertheless when a new manager comes in and surely the latest this will happen is May, They will be and will need to be making wholesale changes to the squad. This is still essentially Lee Johnson's team the players backed him and bought into what he wanted from them in a way that they are not doing with the current management. That rules out them not performing for a capable manager, and I don't think you can confidently assert that. They might buy into someone else's philosphy. What they don't buy into is naive, or negative management. Edited January 4, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Not quite correct, although the sentiment is. We still need at least a goalkeeper and a CB, ideally a couple more. Doable with getting rid of some of the no playing loanees. 1/ Support Dunn and get 7 new players in January . 2/ Get rid and bring one manager in and one new coach, & 2 or 3 players. We've got a keeper. Stick Coleman in nets, youth keeper on the bench, bin off Cornell and bring in an emergency loan keeper if Coleman gets injured or suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Matt chambers latest tweet suggests he's going nowhere I wouldn't say that. To me, it says he's spoken to Dunn, and Dunn has a meeting scheduled, and Dunn thinks it's business as usual and Dunn thinks he's going nowhere. Matt Chambers @Matt_Chambers_ 3h3 hours ago Important week for David Dunn in terms of shaping squad. Due to meet board to discuss targets and determined to turn things round. #oafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) We've got a keeper. Stick Coleman in nets, youth keeper on the bench, bin off Cornell and bring in an emergency loan keeper if Coleman gets injured or suspended. I really rate Coleman, think he has been harshly treated, and think he will be the dogs. But right now, we need an experienced head, to also teach Coleman. Edited January 4, 2016 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petelatics Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 It seems pretty clear that Dunn doesn't think much of the fans. Never any apology - and that incident at Crewe when he didn't make the players acknowledge the travelling supporters. Also no mention of us in his latest interviews. Pretty sure that Corney hasn't the balls to fire him having messed up over Kelly so we're stuck with Dunn and dumber until we fall into League 2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 points for me 1) why hadn't this meeting taken place at least 3 weeks ago 2) I feel reassured that Barry, Gee and Corney are involved in assessing the potential of players ....oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 points for me 1) why hadn't this meeting taken place at least 3 weeks ago 2) I feel reassured that Barry, Gee and Corney are involved in assessing the potential of players ....oh dear It won't be so bad if they just go off their record. You can count the number of suitable candidates on one hand, then go for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 It seems pretty clear that Dunn doesn't think much of the fans. Never any apology - and that incident at Crewe when he didn't make the players acknowledge the travelling supporters. Also no mention of us in his latest interviews. Pretty sure that Corney hasn't the balls to fire him having messed up over Kelly so we're stuck with Dunn and dumber until we fall into League 2! He's had nothing but abuse since starting, I don't blame him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 This talk about this team has shown they can do it. I am less than convinced. No wins in August 2014 One win in November 2014 No wins in December 2014 which included 7-0 loss and 4-0 home loss to bottom of league Lost 8 of Johnson's last 13 Johnson left us with no keeper, no fit centre half and no centre forward Then factor in forte goals in sept and Octonber , daniel Johnson's contribution at the same time and the fact we had a keeper and a different picture emerges re the rump that remains and it's capability When Johnson left on feb 14th we had 43 points from 31 games On feb 11th of Dickov's first season we had 43 points from 27 points and were 4th Johnson's high water mark is thus significantly lower than the previous manager's. Just beware the propaganda of cult Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Interesting that people continue to have so much faith in this group of players, as if it is going to suddenly click into gear. Hopefully, some of those players will be replaced and the new signings click into gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 This talk about this team has shown they can do it. I am less than convinced. No wins in August 2014 One win in November 2014 No wins in December 2014 which included 7-0 loss and 4-0 home loss to bottom of league Lost 8 of Johnson's last 13 Johnson left us with no keeper, no fit centre half and no centre forward Then factor in forte goals in sept and Octonber , daniel Johnson's contribution at the same time and the fact we had a keeper and a different picture emerges re the rump that remains and it's capability When Johnson left on feb 14th we had 43 points from 31 games On feb 11th of Dickov's first season we had 43 points from 27 points and were 4th Johnson's high water mark is thus significantly lower than the previous manager's. Just beware the propaganda of cult Johnson I agree, it shows a couple of decent acquisitions where we are deficient. No Johnson believer here, loathe him. He was no Messiah. But the facts show these players can play a bit. THere are a couple of missing links in the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I am going to start a rumour right now: David Dunn is in talks with Blackburn Rovers about a potential loan move for out-of-favour defender Matthew Kilgallon. The Latics have expressed their desire to bring in an experienced centre-back as they lie 22nd in Sky Bet League 1, five points adrift of safety. Feel free to copy and paste where inappropriate. Edited January 4, 2016 by NewBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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